Ukraine-Russia War Take 2

Ukraine-Russia War Take 2

Here is what the preliminary take on the Ukraine thread disappearing is:

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08 February 2024 at 05:19 PM
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by corpus vile

I wonder if it's Chechens. Has there been anything on RAI news re a car packed with explosives in the car park to your knowledge?

I am following developments on my well crafted Twitter feed, which doesn't include almost any Italian sources but i can check


My partner mentioned she read it on RAI, I was just wondering if there were updates on it.


by corpus vile

My partner mentioned she read it on RAI, I was just wondering if there were updates on it.

I have checked and I didn't find anything which doesn't mean RAI didn't say it as there are many tv channels + their social media


Cheers, thanks I'll ask her to find it if she can.


by Luciom

What do you respond to if you don't know who is responsible? Anything from rightwing Russian extremists who want to escalate with the west to the CIA to anything in between, including groups that have nothing to do with the russian-ukraine war, could be responsible for now.

Putin will blame whoever he feels will help him the most and will divert attention away from this:

ISIS claiming responsibility.


by Luciom

What do you respond to if you don't know who is responsible? Anything from rightwing Russian extremists who want to escalate with the west to the CIA to anything in between, including groups that have nothing to do with the russian-ukraine war, could be responsible for now.

lol

by Bluegrassplayer

Putin will blame whoever he feels will help him the most and will divert attention away from this:ISIS claiming responsibility.

take notes lucium


ISIS? ok so USA and Israel.


hmmm




lol



by Victor

ofc the Russian twitter is saying it was the West. they have faced serious allegations too!

by Victor

ISIS? ok so USA and Israel.

(and apparently Ukraine. Although posting these things and just saying "hmmm" is clearly not suggesting anything. It has to be stated explicitly apparently. Also totally not a cowardly way of spreading a narrative without having to own it.)

Funny how that works.


ISIS is often backed by the west.


How does any of this pertain to the Moscow attacks? Be precise with what you (Russian twitter) is suggesting.


ISIS claimed responsibility. ISIS is often backed by the West. work on your reading comprehension.


When I connect the dots in the most logical way you accuse me of inventing arguments. When I ask you to clarify so I don't need to connect the dots myself I need to work on my reading comprehension...

OK so in your world ISIS is often backed by the west, and ISIS claimed responsibility... what are you suggesting the relevance is to the Moscow attack? Tie it all together. You're still not being precise.


oh but I am being precise.


Are you saying it is the West that is responsible for the attack?


I precisely did not say that (and dont act stupid about a clear joke post)


by Bluegrassplayer

(and apparently Ukraine. Although posting these things and just saying "hmmm" is clearly not suggesting anything. It has to be stated explicitly apparently. Also totally not a cowardly way of spreading a narrative without having to own it.)

Funny how that works.

by Bluegrassplayer

Putin will blame whoever he feels will help him the most and will divert attention away from this:ISIS claiming responsibility.

What's your claim to be clear? Do you think we have elements to claim who was responsible?


by Victor

ISIS claimed responsibility. ISIS is often backed by the West. work on your reading comprehension.

ISIS is an actor who hasn't been called on stage for a while.

If ISIS claims responsibility, we shouldn't believe it but even if we want to believe it, there is no reason to think this has anything to do with "the west" nor with Putin self-sabotaging himself.

If you want to give credit to ISIS, the most probable explanation about that is they felt out of the loop in recent years and they wanted to be talked about again, after both the west, and Russia, crushed it to nothingness


by Victor

I precisely did not say that (and dont act stupid about a clear joke post)

You don't precisely say anything. You just post attacks on entities you don't like. That's the point. So this was all a joke? For some reason if I didn't point to exactly what your posts suggest and how ludicrous it is, I doubt it would have been just a joke.

by Luciom

What's your claim to be clear? Do you think we have elements to claim who was responsible?

ISIS is by far the most likely to be responsible at this moment.


ISIS claiming responsibility isn't nothing I agree.

But we should be aware of the complex calculus behind this kind of stuff. ISIS is a dead entity which has fallen into irrelevancy lately.

They might have mustered the strength to accomplish this complex terrorist act, yes. But they also might just try to take credit for it to get their name back into the "news cycle".

I am still waiting for developments before making a call


by Bluegrassplayer

You don't precisely say anything. You just post attacks on entities you don't like. That's the point. So this was all a joke? For some reason if I didn't point to exactly what your posts suggest and how ludicrous it is, I doubt it would have been just a joke.

ISIS is by far the most likely to be responsible at this moment.

ofc my posts didnt precisely say anything. you think I am supposed to solve the mystery?


by Victor

ofc my posts didnt precisely say anything. you think I am supposed to solve the mystery?

Did I say that? No, I did not.

Look at this example:

by Bluegrassplayer

ISIS is by far the most likely to be responsible at this moment.

What I'm saying it very precise. I do not attempt to solve "the mystery". If there are reasonable questions about my statement I will answer, because I am not ashamed of the stances I hold.

If what you were trying ro suggest is that if ISIS is responsible then the West is responsible then just say it. Oh right it was just a joke haha.


by Victor

ofc my posts didnt precisely say anything. you think I am supposed to solve the mystery?

Victor you wanted to imply that IF ISIS is behind it, THEN it's the west.

That was clear and it's a very low level kind of conspiracy theory


by Luciom

Victor you wanted to imply that IF ISIS is behind it, THEN it's the west.

That was clear and it's a very low level kind of conspiracy theory

well no, not quite. if it was ISIS, then there is a decent chance the West helped.

its not really a conspiracy, its been proven there are links.

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