WTSD and WSD

WTSD and WSD

Hi 2p2.

Currently, I'm playing nl10.

My WTSD is 28% and WSD is 64% over 52k hands.

Is this because I have a huge leak of overfolding vs river bets?

22 March 2024 at 07:14 PM
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Not necessarily, but you are running really good.


by endboss220

Hi 2p2.

Currently, I'm playing nl10.

My WTSD is 28% and WSD is 64% over 52k hands.

Is this because I have a huge leak of overfolding vs river bets?

wsd 64% is almost certainly indicative of overfolding somewhere since sample is >50k hands. Normalish wsd is going to be 50-55 range... higher end typically signifies overfolding in one or more areas of the game tree (tight pre, way overfold flop/turn or way overfold turn/river.... etc)

wtsd 28% is also on lower end.

You can post river call efficiency ... also state what db software you are posting it from.


by Haizemberg93

Not necessarily, but you are running really good.

no 😃


by Brokenstars

wsd 64% is almost certainly indicative of overfolding somewhere since sample is >50k hands. Normalish wsd is going to be 50-55 range... higher end typically signifies overfolding in one or more areas of the game tree (tight pre, way overfold flop/turn or way overfold turn/river.... etc)wtsd 28% is also on lower end.You can post river call efficiency ... also state what db softw

I'm using pt4, and my call r eff is currently 1.90. What does that mean?


by endboss220

no 😃I'm using pt4, and my call r eff is currently 1.90. What does that mean?

It means for every dollar you call on the river, you are getting 1.9 back.

1.9 is very high. You can post some your folding frequencies:

Fold to flop cbet, fold to turn cbet, fold to river cbet

Fold to bet, fold to turn bet, fold to river bet

Fold to F float, Fold to T float, Fold to R float

Fold to T probe, Fold to R probe

Add me on discord in next 10 mins and I can look at it with you briefly:

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Are sure your WSD is 64?


by Haizemberg93

Are sure your WSD is 64?

It was indeed 64 (and over a larger sample).


It's true. Had a short discord call with Brokenstars and found out I'm a huge nit postflop. I'm just overfolding everywhere.


by Brokenstars

It means for every dollar you call on the river, you are getting 1.9 back.

1.9 is very high. You can post some your folding frequencies:

what's a good call river eff %?


by endboss220

what's a good call river eff %?

1.1-1.6 is the range I give in DB analysis.... lower end more likely to be overcalling in some spots, higher end with more possibility of overfolding/putting too many strong hands into call nodes.


by Brokenstars

1.1-1.6 is the range I give in DB analysis.... lower end more likely to be overcalling in some spots, higher end with more possibility of overfolding/putting too many strong hands into call nodes.

alright thanks a lot

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