The "LOLCANADA" thread...again
So what's new?
I've noticed the Liberals are now ahead in all major polls and Trudeau hasn't even started to campaign yet...i'd be shocked if they lost the election now.
Just shows just how incompetent Conservatives are.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/greece-w...
Too bad Greece will be denied the same as Germany was because there was no "business case" to export LNG. Even more sad that multiple LNG export projects on the East Coast have been shelved over the past few years because of government policies and messaging.
Question for you if Justin says 80% of CDNs get more back than they pay how can he know how much every CDN pays in carbon tax ? Is it based on the estimated driving distance and the average to heat a home ?
Its always amusing when you are ignorant of the absolute basics. That number doesn’t come from Trudeau, it comes from the PBO who does modelling of direct AND INDIRECT costs to determine that the vast majority of households get back more in rebates. Yes gas and home heating are two big elements that consumers spend money on, but the revenue comes from all sources in the supply chain whether you pay it directly or indirectly.
But great job at ignoring entirely the substance of my post.
Its always amusing when you are ignorant of the absolute basics. That number doesn’t come from Trudeau, it comes from the PBO who does modelling of direct AND INDIRECT costs to determine that the vast majority of households get back more in rebates. Yes gas and home heating are two big elements that consumers spend money on, but the revenue comes from all sources in the supply chain whether you pay it directly or indirectly.
But great job at ignoring entirely the substance of my post.
Ok how does the PBO know how much each person pays in carbon tax ?
Do you know the formula for the modelling ? Does he assume how many km on average folks drive ?
Do you know that number ?
Ok how does the PBO know how much each person pays in carbon tax ?
Do you know the formula for the modelling ? Does he assume how many km on average folks drive ?
Do you know that number ?
So when you thought PBO was on your side , you believed in the data they were saying .
Now that you don’t like the PBO stance , u start attacking its data .
Interesting .
So when you thought PBO was on your side , you believed in the data they were saying .
Now that you don’t like the PBO stance , u start attacking its data .
Interesting .
Who is attacking the PBO
He has been clear on his position I am just asking how he calculates or determines how much folks pay in carbon tax . The number or rebate is clear
Ok my bad .
Ok how does the PBO know how much each person pays in carbon tax ?
Do you know the formula for the modelling ? Does he assume how many km on average folks drive ?
Do you know that number ?
Can we skip forward to your inevitable MAGA-lite punchline here? I don’t think anyone believes you care about methodological details on how PBO economists model average households. Read the report in the detail on the 1% chance you actually care.
Can we skip forward to your inevitable MAGA-lite punchline here? I don’t think anyone believes you care about methodological details on how PBO economists model average households. Read the report in the detail on the 1% chance you actually care.
Oh right out of the Liberal playbook call it Maga
It’s an honest question I have seen reports that he is basing it on the average CDN owning one car and driving 15,000 kms a year . I’ve looked at the report and unable to find it .
The PBO has been clear in his reports and his recent appearances in the media that if you just take the direct costs 80% of CDNs on the federal carbon tax get more back than they pay(excludes BC and Quebec as they have their own programs) He also has been clear when you factor everything in a majority of CDN's pay more than they get back .
My question is how does he calculate what the average CDN pays. I have heard its based on the average CDN having one car and driving 15,000 kms . Statistics say the average CDN drives 15,200 km and owns 1.5 cars. So he is using the right km's but not the amount of vehicles owned. So he is saying the average CDN family drives 15,000 kms when in fact its 22,500
My guess is those that live in the suburbs and rural own 2 plus cars and drive way more kms.
I would say Uke has one vehicle and fits the 15,000 average maybe less but I doubt the rest of us fit in that category
The PBO has been clear in his reports and his recent appearances in the media that if you just take the direct costs 80% of CDNs on the federal carbon tax get more back than they pay(excludes BC and Quebec as they have their own programs) He also has been clear when you factor everything in a majority of CDN's pay more than they get back .
WRONG. For the 90th time, the reports fiscal analysis is “direct AND indirect”. It’s talking about the entire revenue that the government gets. So something like say a farmer paying tax on gas for transportation and that increases the cost of food, that is part of the fiscal calculation.
The economic calculation is different. It assumes a) nobody changes their behaviours due to the tax such as driving less and just does the identical thing b) it compares to doing nothing to fight climate change so no replacement policies at all if carbon tax is removed and c) ignores any benefits. As one could predict, against this scenario any intervention like this one has negative economic effects. It’s not entirely useless, but it should always be noted in proper context. It’s an “apples to nothing” comparison.
Can we skip forward to your inevitable MAGA-lite punchline here? I don’t think anyone believes you care about methodological details on how PBO economists model average households. Read the report in the detail on the 1% chance you actually care.
I am not sure what you mean here as I wasn't even talking about the effects on households rather I was trying to understand the implementation on the supply side, given we have a complex web of carbon tax related rules in the EU and I have no idea how exactly the situation is in Canada
I am not sure what you mean here as I wasn't even talking about the effects on households rather I was trying to understand the implementation on the supply side, given we have a complex web of carbon tax related rules in the EU and I have no idea how exactly the situation is in Canada
He was referring to me .
That is what he tends to do when someone asks a reasonable question or point . Its what our PM does as well if you disagree with him your Maga
Our Environment Minister was recently interviewed and the lies that come out of his mouth are troubling . Funny I looked at the forecast it was minus 2 and sunny and he is dressed like its minus 40
his lie on pausing the carbon tax on home heating oil
His lies that the carbon tax will do anything about extreme heat or forest fires or hurricanes
His lies that they are going to meet the 2030 mandates
Axe the tax and the PM
I should clarify something. I was unimpressed by Luciom's posts in other threads. You aren't Canadian. I have no interest in getting into debates about Canadian politics with you. I haven't responded to all your posts quoting me, and don't intend to. If you prefer, just imagine you are on my ignore list for the purposes of this thread.
I should clarify something. I was unimpressed by Luciom's posts in other threads. You aren't Canadian. I have no interest in getting into debates about Canadian politics with you. I haven't responded to all your posts quoting me, and don't intend to. If you prefer, just imagine you are on my ignore list for the purposes of this thread.
Your pretty much not interested in debating with anyone . You will not answer honest questions . Your like a liberal MP towing the line and the talking points on the carbon tax
Buddy, you literally just used a Poilievre campaign slogan, I wouldn't go on about towing the party line here. What "honest question" do you think I've ignored? While it is true I sometimes ignore your whataboutisms that are repetitions of things we've debated at lengths previously to try and keep the conversation on track, I think it is fair to say I've been more than happy to dive deep and provide the full context for just about anything you've brought up. It's a bit tricky talking with someone who uses whataboutisms as often as you do.
The PBO has been clear in his reports and his recent appearances in the media that if you just take the direct costs 80% of CDNs on the federal carbon tax get more back than they pay(excludes BC and Quebec as they have their own programs) He also has been clear when you factor everything in a majority of CDN's pay more than they get back .
My question is how does he calculate what the average CDN pays. I have heard its based on the average CDN having one car and driving 15,000 kms . Statistics sa
So ?
The concept is very simple .
If u create more emission u will pay more .
Doesn’t matter where they are from .
And I agree with that concept .
It’s ok if u don’t shrug .
But it’s a very peculiar stance if you are against this. Being a right wing and all .
FWIW probably all policies that ever been created had someone paid more over others but in the grand scheme it benefited the majority .
Buddy, you literally just used a Poilievre campaign slogan, I wouldn't go on about towing the party line here. What "honest question" do you think I've ignored? While it is true I sometimes ignore your whataboutisms that are repetitions of things we've debated at lengths previously to try and keep the conversation on track, I think it is fair to say I've been more than happy to dive deep and provide the full context for just about anything you've brought up. It's a bit tricky talking with someo
How does the PBO calculate how much a average CDN spends on carbon tax in his calculation?
So ?
The concept is very simple .
If u create more emission u will pay more .
Doesn’t matter where they are from .
And I agree with that concept .
It’s ok if u don’t shrug .
But it’s a very peculiar stance if you are against this. Being a right wing and all .
FWIW probably all policies that ever been created had someone paid more over others but in the grand scheme it benefited the majority .
I would also if it made the slightest difference in helping in the climate change battle. If we had a big dome around Canada sure than it would make a difference. We don't
Let Justin and the environment minster be honest. Yes the carbon tax will do nothing to reduce forest fires, extreme weather, nor bring you a white Christmas but morally I believe in CDN's lives being more unaffordable so we can show the world were morally responsible
How does the PBO calculate how much a average CDN spends on carbon tax in his calculation?
I would also if it made the slightest difference in helping in the climate change battle. If we had a big dome around Canada sure than it would make a difference. We don't
Let Justin and the environment minster be honest. Yes the carbon tax will do nothing to reduce forest fires, extreme weather, nor bring you a white Christmas but morally I believe in CDN's lives being more unaffordable so we can show the
Ok u have the right to think so but this isn’t how science and economics works.
You just are wrong there but it’s ok .
And something you always forget , doing nothing will be even more worst and costlier then a tax carbon !
Carbon tax or a tax carbon market is the lesser evil .
Doing nothing provenly has no effect on climate change, as Canadian emissions don't matter worldwide.
Anyone claiming anything else is lying objectively.
if Canadian emissions went to 0 tomorrow every bad thing you want to list about climate change would happen the same for the next decades, that's simply the objective truth.
climate change being bad (which ofc is totally false for Canada, climate change is a huge positive for Canada, like a monstrous positive, like a "cry every day of joy" positive, as it is for every country which is much colder than the optimal temperature for human beings) doesn't mean that reducing your own emissions matters in the slightest.
so Canadian people are lied to twice: one is about warming being bad for a country which is ****ING COLD, and two that reducing your own irrelevant emissions would reduce the warming.
Read the report? You're probably going to have to dig deep into the references on this one. I'm not obligated to do some deep dive in microanalyzing the methdological details of a public report you can read yourself.
Why is this question important to you?
Read the report? You're probably going to have to dig deep into the references on this one. I'm not obligated to do some deep dive in microanalyzing the methdological details of a public report you can read yourself.
Why is this question important to you?
It will prove even further that Justin is lying that 80% of folks get more back than they pay . The only folks getting more back are folks living in poverty and lower middle class
Doing nothing provenly has no effect on climate change, as Canadian emissions don't matter worldwide.
Anyone claiming anything else is lying objectively.
if Canadian emissions went to 0 tomorrow every bad thing you want to list about climate change would happen the same for the next decades, that's simply the objective truth.
climate change being bad (which ofc is totally false for Canada, climate change is a huge positive for Canada, like a monstrous positive, like a "cry every day of joy" positi
What an incredibly bad take on about everything …..
It does not matter the amount of impact for Canada in the world in deciding if they should do something or not ,
what matter is Canada not having a negative impact on emission personally .
That was being responsible means .
No one is dumb enough to propose Canada policies would change climate change by itself .
But one thing is clear , Canada per capita is high , very high .
Around the 12th highest in the world !
https://www.statista.com/statistics/2705....
So yes we are part of the problem clearly and in a big way .
Especially at the rates of our population going up , increasing our emission ….
It will prove even further that Justin is lying that 80% of folks get more back than they pay . The only folks getting more back are folks living in poverty and lower middle class
Ok fine so get us all the articles (not opinions pieces) with facts that say so ?
Because your narrative been debunk many times in many articles …
You fit right in there lozen I think …
https://financialpost.com/news/canadians...
Yet almost 70 per cent of Canadians did not know what the carbon tax is costing them, according to a poll by the Angus Reid Institute, which uncovered broad-based confusion around the quarterly rebate program known as the Canada Climate Action Incentive.
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7079782
Partisanship can often affect beliefs, and the Angus Reid polling indeed found that people who said they had voted Conservative in the last federal election were more likely than those who voted Liberal or NDP to believe they are paying more in carbon tax than they are receiving in rebates (even though economists say the opposite is true for most households.)
It will prove even further that Justin is lying that 80% of folks get more back than they pay . The only folks getting more back are folks living in poverty and lower middle class
Trudeau is citing the reports finding. You seem to have not read it but are imagining some methodological issues out of I guess just your feelings?
