Berri,amso hand.

Berri,amso hand.

by TheAllMight k

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $50/$100 - 2 players
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BERRI SWEET (SB): $30,996.33 (310 bb)
AmSoGood (BB): $10,000.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($150)
BERRI SWEET (SB) raises to $249, AmSoGood (BB) 3-bets to $747, BERRI SWEET (SB) calls $498

Flop: ($1,494) 6 T 6 (2 players)
AmSoGood (BB) bets $298.30, BERRI SWEET (SB) raises to $1,499, AmSoGood (BB) calls $1,200.70

Turn: ($4,492) 3 (2 players)
AmSoGood (BB) checks, BERRI SWEET (SB) bets $2,428.39, AmSoGood (BB) calls $2,428.39

I want to talk about this hand.

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19 March 2024 at 06:13 PM
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by BERRI SWEET k

I didn't see I had a straight.

FYI.


Well, that actually is the most rational explanation - one which I didn't take into account at all.


Yep lol, me too.


he's trolling. although there's something to be learned about his thinking throughout the hand from his response. it's not that he mistread his hand 😀


by MastaAces k

he's trolling

I agree that you can't disregard this possibility. Still, it would make it all make sense.


Think I’ll just take him at face value and accept it was a mistake.

Doesn’t seem likely he would troll a legitimate question from the PLO forum.


by amok k

I agree that you can't disregard this possibility. Still, it would make it all make sense.

it makes absolutely no sense.

by nootaboos k

Think I’ll just take him at face value and accept it was a mistake.

Doesn’t seem likely he would troll a legitimate question from the PLO forum.

well, there you go.


by MastaAces k

it makes absolutely no sense.

Do the alternatives make more sense to you? Why and which one? My first instinct was that value is the only thing that makes sense, but honestly human error makes more sense.


Two tables of hu is still a lot of action as the decorum in hu is pretty much no tanking, ready poker. So human error does happen


My guess is: sometimes he is ahead on the flop. He blocks boats with AT and blocks some continues. On the turn, he blocks boats and the nutflush still. TT and T6 are blocked. How much 63 is there? On the river, how much 76? And maybe there are some blockers to hands like T976, T876, 9865, 8765, 7654.

On the river he knows he can probably get called by 6x as it blocks boats and he doesn't have a huge bet left, so maybe it just makes sense for value at this point? Is there actually some weird interaction where some flushes are folded by 6x calls because of boat blockers? Otherwise, are there really more 6x combos than non-nut flushes other there?

It obviously looks very thin.


Most likely: What he said is true, didn't realize he had a straight and was bluffing.

Possible: Wasn't sure if it was GTO to value bet at the time, but had fired repeatedly to get here and had half pot so just fire again and not admit you overplayed your hand after the fact.

GOAT mirage: Has genius read that it was the right play, but doesn't want to say that in public esp. because it's not GTO.


What’s happening here is that berri will sometimes fold a flush with his bet and get called by 6x nearly always as it’s a better blocker.

Berri is not playing a straight gto style but has exceptional feel for where about in the range his opponent is in a given hand and for what they most likely do with that part of the range.

So you can’t analyse the hand like that and say it’s wrong based on some gto sim.

Of course Berri makes mistakes like anyone, but it’s much more likely that his play was correct for good reasons or within his philosophy as a whole.

It’s extremely unlikely he misread his hand.

Edit: lol! Didn’t see it was him posting that. Still think he’s trolling tho.


Next, shall we discuss how spaz bad this hand is by amso?

by TheAllMight k

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $50/$100 - 2 players
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AmSoGood (SB): $13,360.96 (134 bb)
BERRI SWEET (BB): $26,611.56 (266 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($150)
AmSoGood (SB) raises to $300, BERRI SWEET (BB) 3-bets to $900, AmSoGood (SB) calls $600

Flop: ($1,800) K 9 8 (2 players)
BERRI SWEET (BB) bets $862.80, AmSoGood (SB) calls $862.80

Turn: ($3,525.60) 9 (2 players)
BERRI SWEET (BB) checks, AmSoGood (SB) bets $2,500, BERRI SWEET (BB) calls $2,500

River: ($8,525.60) 3 (2 players)
BERRI SWEE


Calls flop with absolute garbage, try’s to rep 9 or boat on turn with probably 10% vs naked K, gets peeled for 25bb and dumps river blocking a bunch of berries folds and a lone 8.


Does Berri call this river with AQQ2 Do you?


That looks pretty reasonable. Are u trolling?


I'm not a PLO HU expert, far from it, but to me it looks like a reasonable hand to bluff with. Not sure if I understand how Q865h blocks a bunch of folds. JT seem like cards you wouldn't want to have and he has neither.


by crimsonchin k

That looks pretty reasonable. Are u trolling?

Not trolling. I’d like to discuss it because I think it’s bad and I’d like to discuss why it is/is not.

What makes the line/amso’s hand appealing to you crimson? Consider the action AP too pls, thx heaps.


by amok k

I'm not a PLO HU expert, far from it, but to me it looks like a reasonable hand to bluff with. Not sure if I understand how Q865h blocks a bunch of folds. JT seem like cards you wouldn't want to have and he has neither.

Agree about JT obv, but there’s plenty of wraps blocked by his hand still.


Yeah but what hands can you have that don't have a Q,J,T,8,6,5 (nor hearts)? I have no idea what your skill level is, but I don't fault someone for considering the possibility that you are trolling.


by amok k

what hands can you have that don't have a Q,J,T,8,6,5 (nor hearts)?

NFI what you are saying tbh.


I can try and elaborate on my blocking comment; I feel that if Berri has any decent draw like a high wrap high FD he is barreling this turn like probably 1 million % of the time. He doesn’t barrel, he check calls - if he has a draw it’s likely avg AF, and amso blocks a bunch of the avg AF straight draws and also holds the 8h.


by nootaboos k

NFI what you are saying tbh.

What hand do you think is a good bluffing candidate if not a hand like this?

by nootaboos k

I feel that if Berri has any decent draw like a high wrap high FD he is barreling this turn like probably 1 million % of the time.

Does this mean that amso should not bluff river? How could that theoretically work?

by nootaboos k

and amso blocks a bunch of the avg AF straight draws and also holds the 8h.

He doesn't, since he doesn't hold J/T. He doesn't hold 8h, nor is that relevant.

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