Covid-19 Discussion

FDA ordered to stop lying about Ivermectin.

Ivermectin should be a medication that cure Covid despite being a medication to fight
Parasites.
Strange concept to me shrug.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/article...

Btw people are a fraud of vaccination and get for ivermectin that tells you this can actually occur !

Lol

Snopes will help you out on that one.

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FALSE because it was a "survey" not a "study"

fact checkers ftw

That is not what it said. It says it was exempt from FOIA because it was inter-department communications and communications with other agencies.

It wasn't anything at all to do with a study . So yes, the claim that they reacted an entire study is false.

Not sure where you came up with it was a survey. (Edit: oh I see you read far enough to find something you thought supported your idea and stopped reading. You should have read the whole thing. Your confirmation bias is showing - the redacted pages were not the survey)

You can read it yourself here:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cdc-re...

When you do, you will find links to extensive evidence demonstrating exactly the opposite of what the made up claim is trying to insinuate. In fact, the CDC has released nearly a dozen studies detailing the relationship between COVID vaccinations and myocarditis. They aren't trying to hide anything.

No Im saying ivermectin, by their own words, have many more risk to a lot of different peoples .

Risk of ivermectin exist too for a much larger portion of the population for lot of different side effects some mild, other serious !
So why isn’t that a concern ???

Anyway , That’s what it is when you take any kind of medication regardless being vaccine , ivermectin or aspirins .
Risks always exist even if they are extremely minimal like we speak here about myocarditis from vaccine .
I see no one saying we should ban aspirin ?

But not im not concern with myocarditis vs the amount of billions of people that didn’t had any and those rare that happened was easily taken care at the hospital .
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/q...

What it says is myocarditis risk is higher when you aren’t vaccinated …..
And when I hear kids shouldn’t be vaccinated because they have less then 1% of dying , well having problems of myocarditis from vaccine was even lower ….

It’s a non issue for me when speak risk of like 1 in the tens of thousands!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article...).

your post (besides the quotes you insert) is very hard to read. that said, do these side effects really worry you? which one specifically has you up at night? The skin rash? I'm not even pro-Ivermectin.

trouble breathing
swelling of your throat or tongue
skin rash
If you develop these symptoms, call 911 or go to the nearest emergency room.

Don’t take this drug again if you’ve ever had an allergic reaction to it. Taking it again could be fatal (cause death).

Warnings for people with certain health conditions

For people with asthma: This drug may make your asthma worse. Ask your doctor if this drug is safe for you.

For people with liver problems: If you have liver problems or a history of liver issues, this drug may cause more harm to your liver. Also, you may not be able to process this drug well. This may increase the levels of the drug in your body and cause more side effects. Ask your doctor if this drug is safe for you.

For people with seizures: This drug may cause seizures. Ask your doctor if this drug is safe for you.

For people with HIV: If you have HIV or a condition where your immune system doesn’t work as well as it should, one dose of this drug may not be enough to treat your parasitic infection. You may need several treatments with this drug.

Warnings for other groups

For pregnant people: Talk with your doctor if you’re pregnant or planning to become pregnant. This drug should only be used if the potential benefit justifies the potential risk.

Research in animals has shown adverse effects to the fetus when the mother takes the drug. There haven’t been enough studies in humans to be certain how the drug might affect the fetus.

If you become pregnant while taking this drug, call your doctor right away.

For people who are breastfeeding: Ivermectin passes into breast milk and may cause side effects in a breastfed child. Talk with your doctor if you breastfeed your child. You may need to decide whether to stop breastfeeding or stop taking this medication.

For seniors: Your liver may not work as well as it used to. This can cause your body to process drugs more slowly. As a result, more of this drug can stay in your body for a longer time. This raises your risk of side effects.

For children: It hasn’t been established if this drug is safe and effective in children who weigh less than 33 pounds (15 kilograms)

Ok source is kinda bad (daily mail) but the content is sound, and can be verified at source.

Looks like german top scientific health body (robert kock institute) in late 2020 wrote reports about lockdowns, and how they would cause more damage than covid (even under optimistic assumptions of efficacy of lockdown to reduce cases a lot), and that they wrote that even ffp2 masks had unproven effect on case mitigation, yet german politicians redacted those findings, hid them from the public, it took more than 2 years in a FOIA-equivalent legal battle to be able to access the unredacted reports.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...

So during an emergency you lie about "science", censor opposite voices, claim a fake science (against the explicit, written consensus of your scientifical experts) as the legal basis to justify historically unprecedented compressions of fundamental constitutional rights, and you do all that because you think that's politically convenient for you, what should be the penalty of doing that? i think it can be framed as a crime against humanity very clearly.

This was our generation holocaust (mass violation of basic human rights of the population, with no historical precedent at that scale in peacetime) and we must act accordingly, punishing every single actor who has responsibilities and creating the conditions for this to never happen again at any cost.

We must amend constitutions removing the possibility of those constitutional rights limitations *with no exception*, not war, not a health crisis, nothing, we now know they will abuse those exceptions to extent that we thought were inimaginabile, and no crisis is as dangerous as the forfeiture of basic constitutional rights for the whole population.

Or, we could admit that the wearing a mask in public or requiring a vaccination to return to the workforce during a pandemic were small sacrifices. Such acts are for the public good and are the duties of citizenship of a civilized society and that listening to the hyperbolic claims that it is our generations holocaust is pure nonsense.

Also, dying as a dumb antivaxxer is pretty high on my list of things not to do.

We are talking late 2020, vaccination has nothing to do with anything I discussed in that post.

And the highest health authority in Germany was skeptical of ffp2 mask efficacy, why wasn't that crucial thing made public, why did they mandate them in Germany by claiming efficacy if their best experts were skeptical about efficacy?

It's illegal in most countries to claim science is x so I can mandate y, if science isn't x, as without that scientifical claim courts would remove the rule (not sure in the USA, but certainly in Italy Germany France that would be the case).

We have court rulings upending COVID restrictions on the basis of the purported scientifical claims. Except those scientifical claims were made up by politicians and we now have proof of that for Germany as well (we already did for Italy and the UK).

Lockdowns meanwhile were our generation holocaust, plain and simple.

The worst government peacetime atrocity against the whole population in western history. Most crucial constitutional rights suspended, predicated on, we now know, actual lies.

Maybe being skeptical wasn't enough? Tough to throw away the Chance of having some safety...?

Tell that to the population, then we check if local laws allow to mandate something you are not even sure will work

More sure that masks helped than harmed.

So what the fack with
oh, my little nose
woe is me

Doesn't matter with the fact that the German government kept the opinion on them , by the highest health authority in the country, secret, and mandated them on the basis on unsubstantiated pseudo -scientifical claims making up a non existent purported scientifical consensus about them.

This is ridiculous.

Which bigger violation of citizen constitutional right happened in the last 20+ years in western countries? if it's redicolous to consider lockdowns by far the worst thing to happen to citizen human rights in the last generation, what else would be our generation holocaust? or you object to the use of the word holocaust to refer to a once-in-a-generation or less heinous violation of human rights of the masses?

For the USA you have to go back to the vietnam war draft, for continental europe i think nothing comes close since ww2 (some countries might have some local mass violations in the past though, just waiting to see what you are proposing instead of lockdowns as the worst in decades)

Yes but the problem is that (allegedly) the government was actively lying to the population about the scientific information it had. You really don’t see the problem with that?

The comparison to the holocaust is ridiculous and not helping your argument at all Luciom. Even if some lockdown policy was bad, governments weren’t putting people in gas chambers, or anything remotely close to it.

He doesn't realize that that type of ridiculous hyperbole makes no one even listen to the rest of what he says. Like there's no chance I take a word he says seriously after saying something that monumentally stupid and offensive.

There was and is nothing indicating that masking is not effective against respiratory viruses. Cherry picking a few studies that were inconclusive and saying they were hidden from the public when there is mountains of evidence out there of masking's effectiveness and then using that to compare it to the holocaust is some of the most ridiculous crap I've ever seen in my life.

And it's close to it even without the holocaust stupidity.

I was mostly in favour of the mask mandates, since the downside was very small. I’m more concerned about the process of how policy was decided around lockdowns, and also the way governments were presenting information to the public.

I don’t consider myself qualified to make any claims about the actual effectiveness of lockdowns, although I’m happy enough to accept the majority view that they were overall a positive intervention.

Effectiveness is a non-issue. There is no doubt that separating people slows the spread of a respiratory virus. Arguing over that is silly. Ineffective policy is another issue entirely, of course, but the concept itself was never the issue.

Many make the mistake of comparing the results of ineffective policy with the results of a lack of any policy during a different time period (when more or less virus could be spreading, air temperatures could be different, shopping habits could be different, etc.) and many people were being cautious regardless of policy and then imagining that is some sort of controlled experiment that disproves the entire concept of not only separating people to slow the spread of a virus, but just any mitigation methods at all.

Not allegedly, the unredacted reports were clearly skeptical of mask efficacy (ffp2 efficacy! Imagine the other masks ).

Holocaust gravity is a reference for LOCKDOWNS, not mask mandates.

Lockdowns, the European ones with militaries in the streets.

House arresting 60m Italians for months is quite worse than killing 9k. Every day of illicit house arrest of 60m is 164k life years of illicit house arrest.

Even by counting 200 for a life, that's equivalent to cold blood assassination of 800 Innocents PER DAY in terms of human life lost.

We went under 72 days of Uber strict lockdowns march to may 2020 in Italy, that's equivalent to the government assassinating 56k Italians using very generous 200 years of wrongful incarceration = 1 life ratios.

For people who like freedom, so prefer death to unlawful incarceration, and have a median expected lifespan left of 50-55years, it's more than 4 times that.

Italy sent fewer than 10k Jews to the camps so we can quite clearly claim even the march-may 2020 lockdown alone was worse than the Holocaust FOR ITALY by at least an order of magnitude.

I admit for Germany the math is different (a lot more people killed there because of the Holocaust) and for Poland even more, sure.

But for Italy lockdowns were objectively, measurably, a lot worse than the Holocaust.

I understand most people don't realize the magnitude of the event, because they feel like "well 70 days under house arrest, it's nothing like death".

Well it actually is. When we count traffic accidents value lost we compare that to minutes lost in traffic because of lower speed! Because when you multiply that for every car route every person does it becomes worth more than many individual lives.

House arresting 60m people for months is *big*.

It was historically unprecedented in world history for a reason.

It's not hyperbolic to compare it to taking 6 buses full of people and executing them cold blood per day.

That's actually more or less the magnitude of the event.

It's like assassinating someone every 2 minutes.