LeBron > Jordan GOAT Super AIDS Containment, solved #22999 post by Matt R. (addendum #23174)

much to think about...

You'd say ban? Who are you?

And why would the boss McLovin do the grunt work? Why would he search for the falsehoods you claim are there?? That's your job - you claim I'm lying - show me where.... It's a forum.. Don't hide behind the mods when facts are presented that you don't like

What exactly was a falsehood? Lebron did infact wet the bed vs 07' Spurs, 08' Celtics, 10' Celtics and 11' Mavs - Jordan never played that bad even once let alone 4+ times.. And Jordan was never lottery in his prime like 19' Lebron with Ingram, nor did he lose 3 times with 2 all-star teammates - he barely ever lost with 1

Everything.

Meanwhile calling Curry most overrated of fall time in 2021, to top 5 in 2022.

It's his containment thread.

Yeah, He's actually been banned 150x on this forum.

I'd ban him now but honestly, I feel bad for the guy and think he needs this thread as an outlet for his angst.
And then he'd be back within a few minutes anyway on a new account.

I bet he's epipen

Similar levels of commitment

Those are not performances the GOAT produces... Period

He's actually physically made 150+ new email accounts to continue posting?

lol

I made like 50 accounts to vote in a poll to spite a 2+2 mod I didn't like (the original wang watcher tuq).

It's surprisingly easy once you get the hang of it!

Lebron stans crying to the mods for bans just like Lebron cries to the refs. Fallguy got em SHOOK.

You seethe every time we whack the pinata.

lolol yes

Chilltown the real GOAT of SE

This thread is a lot of words to say that Michael Jordan is the best player ever and Lebron James is probably the second best. Have no idea why "Wemby" is in the title; that makes it seem like a joke.

Although I do want to say that I only spot read some stuff, but I read fully one long post by SABR42 that was extremely well done and actually did make me think about it. And got me close to calling it a tie.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

lol at asking for a ban. you guys are the ones responding and then getting upset about it. who's the real idiot?

I’m not upset, I’m really very calm.

Yes inclusion of Wemby was a joke.

surprising you didn't get that. Everyone else did.

This kind of pettiness is acceptable.

We should put that post number in the thread title.

Which post was that

Bro this is all you

Can't ask for a reference when you're the one leading this thread

Use the search button it ain't hard.

Apparently zero without MJ or his clone (Kobe)

i didn't notice it - sabr has many posts itt

it kind of sounds like you guys are using the bron goggles again, aka it's better to mostly lose than mostly win

Everyone beside Russell mostly lost, you just rose-tint the circumstances for Jordan and take the opposite for Lebron, imagine if instead of Rodman they traded for Westbrook's corpse and gutted role players too in 96, Jordan had expertly constructed rosters for his skillset, Lebron has largely had bad ones and the AD one was great lost a year to injuries and then made an alltime awful trade for Westbrook and now have a sketchy roster

But you think Westbrook in 22 was a valuable player so hell you'd probably think the 96 bulls with that version still win 70+

"mostly won" was defined as having a stretch where the team mostly won - i.e. MJ won 6 in 7 years, or Curry won 3 in 4 years, or Duncan won 3 in 5 years, while Lebron never had a stretch where he mostly won with a cast and mostly lost with every cast that he ever had.. He went 1/4 with AD, or 1/4 with Love and the only exception is the Allen miracle, which allowed 2/4.

I understand that Lebron fans have been told that Jordan had the "perfect situation", but what's the excuse for Curry, Duncan, Kobe, or Kareem having teams that mostly won, while Lebron continues to prove incapable of mostly winning for any stretch with a cast, and mostly loses with all casts for 2 decades?.. Btw, even though MJ only won 6 in 15 years (40%), that's the best winning frequency in the history of 3-pointer basketball or since the ABA-merger.

Ultimately, Lebron fans have mind-warped themselves into thinking that it's better to produce weak records and mostly lose every year so the 1 time you win, it's considered a historic upset.. What a backwards way to think about it - it isn't better to lose - it isn't better to produce perennial underdogs that rarely win, than produce perennial favorites that rarely lose.. Producing perennial favorites and having stretches of mostly winning yields superior title equity than a player that mostly loses with any cast.

The statistical record tells the story of how Lebron achieves this worst winning frequency of any top 10 candidate, or routinely underachieves favored talent by losing with preseason favorites and with multiple all-star teammates:

Lebron starts at forward but becomes a 2nd point guard on the floor (2nd player with a point guard hold-time and assisted rate) - these 2-point guard lineups are abnormally-ball-dominant, which gives teammates less hold-time and assists than they get in traditional 1 point guard lineups - this is statistical fact.. Lower teammate assists yields low TEAM assists and a brand that produced the worst teams in Finals history.. "Worst teams" is defined by a 20-21 record in the Finals excluding the 07', 15', and 18' Finals, so Lebron has a lottery-record on the Finals level regardless of cast.. Overal, Lebron is 22-33 in the Finals (worst all-time), which includes the 3 worst losses in Finals history (14', 17', 18') and the goat choke (11').. Accordingly, history shows that Lebron teamed up with opposing franchise players and hand-picked 8 preseason favorites but still mostly lost in historic fashion and at historic rates.. He's simply the greatest loser in sports history.

The reason that Lebron loses so often compared to other all-timers while having favored talent (preseason favorites). or homecourt advantage, or multiple all-star teammates and top seeds is because of his limited skillset - his lack of expert jumpshooting skill and great basketball instinct to play off teammates (off-ball) yields a reliance on ball-dominance that imposes spot-up roles (reduces teammate assists and increases their assisted rate/play-finishing).. These spot-up roles hinder teammate development, chemistry, and strategic capacity/coaching, thereby yielding weak records, perennial underdogs and Finals losers regardless of cast..

This isn't an opinion - Lebron's imposition of spot-up roles never developed any low-producing rookies to meaningful producer in 2 decades (zero teammate development) - Lebron isn't capable of developing teammates or elite chemistry, so he needs ready-made stars, aka can't win organically (can't develop teammates or chemistry).