4card 1/2 - bottom 2, 3b pot vs rec
What is your thought process here?
Villain is rec, but not super loose.
53/17 over 90 hands, but this is the first time he 3bets.
If we think he has only AAxx always we are good to go, since we are 63% against that.
But if we add more strong possible hands it doesnt look great.
This type of player usually plays in a more cautious way, i often dont even expect them to pot there with a naked AAxx no redraw.
Really not sure about this hand, seems like a thin line between spew and cooler to stack off.
Player 1 (BTN) 98BB
Player 2 (SB) 148.65BB
Player 3 (BB) 143.05
Hero (CO) 106.9
Hero: A♣9♣8♦4♦
Hero raises to 3.5BB, Player 1 calls 3.5BB, Player 2 raises to 15BB, Player 3 folds, Hero calls 11.5BB
Flop (34.5BB)
K♣9♥8♥
Player 2 pots 34.5BB, Hero?
That’s a multiway hand to limp along, try and catch a nut flush draw, other than that, you’re gonna be dominated playing heads up vs a 3b.
Foldpre
That’s a multiway hand to limp along, try and catch a nut flush draw, other than that, you’re gonna be dominated playing heads up vs a 3b.
Foldpre
This is terrible advise not to be taken seriously.
On to the hand, considering the texture it’s optimistic to think this is mostly AA.
I think the play here is to flat and play a turn and make a better decision for the rest of the money there. Hearts massively devalue our hand and make it an easy fold vs substantial aggression. Blanks really improve our hand and make it a comfortable stack off.
This is terrible advise not to be taken seriously.On to the hand, considering the texture it’s optimistic to think this is mostly AA.I think the play here is to flat and play a turn and make a better decision for the rest of the money there. Hearts massively devalue our hand and make it an easy fold vs substantial aggression. Blanks really improve our hand and make it a c
Make sense.
Basically any turn thats not a K,Q,J,T or heart you call off vs ship?
Yes, the idea is that you have a category of hands that fork very clearly on the turn, half the deck we get it in good, all hearts we can easily fold. Straightening turns are somewhere in between probably a fold.
The point is we can make superior equity decisions after seeing the turn.
In essence this principle is no different then let’s say 3betting a double suited rundown, facing a 4bet and taking a flop: you can make superior equity decisions after seeing more cards relative to your opponent.
Tyty.
Folding seems very bad to me (you even have nbdfd). As already pointed out, flatting seems better than shoving.
Against AAJT-hhxx you are actually a 39% dawg. So most 'tight' AAxx combos will give you a 62-38% scenario with this Board. You are only 32% against AKJT-hhxx
If we GII right now you are putting in 42% of the pot with your remaining stack. The assumption above is leaning towards 'best case' rather than allowing for a wider range of holdings. As you indicate a first 3b in 90 hands of short-handed play indicates a pretty strong range, especially from the SB. And I'm not so sure we rule out KKxx which puts us in a world of hurt against the other range of holdings where we are basically breaking even over time.
I've been bonked enough with these bottom two spots in the past that we really need to flat and evaluate the Turn. Presumed V is not folding anyway.
Let's hope the 4c hits the Turn and then go from there! GL
Yeah, call seems like the best way.
Disagree with everyone tbh.
Cold calling the 3b has to be really bad, our hand is pretty dog ****.
Flop feels like a fold, we can be in bad shape or even pure drawing dead here a ton when passive rec pots into 2 players after 3betting from SB.
He effectively has a 1% 3b, so his range is pure AAxx and really good KKxx.
So he either has top set, or aces with or without NFD/ NFB, never mind his side cards.
This just has to be a fold.
The fact that it's the first time we see him 3bet in 90 hands doesn't mean that his 3bet range is 1%. A 1% range is not " pure AAxx and really good KKxx.", not even close to it.
Against a 1% range it's a very clear stackoff anyway, so no part in your post makes any sense.
Keep justifying your donking.
Crimson; if we assume PFR is just blasting any turn, are you really just stacking off on any 2-7 and folding any H/T+?
What’s the math on this spot?
As in; the times we can this PSB and are stomped/ the times we call PSB and fold turn/ the times we call PSB gii win/the times we call PSB gii lose.
Confused. What happened to Player 1?
I lean toward calling the flop, but folding is fine-three-way with Player 1 left to act, if he is.
Based on the opening post, I assumed it's HU on the flop. It changes everything if it's 3-way, of course.
ok that makes sense
It was presented in my last post. I think most people will simply ignore your nonsensical posts from now on.
I don’t know what your problem is mate, but there’s a definite pattern of you chiming in with derogatory comments out of the blue in these PLO posts.
It’s not conducive to having fun and/or meaningful discussions about PLO.
Your “math” is not an answer to the question I was asking fyi.
I suggest from now on we don’t interact.
Crimson; if we assume PFR is just blasting any turn, are you really just stacking off on any 2-7 and folding any H/T+?
What’s the math on this spot?
As in; the times we can this PSB and are stomped/ the times we call PSB and fold turn/ the times we call PSB gii win/the times we call PSB gii lose.
I could certainly be off as I’m a 5 card fish😉
Fwiw: I was assuming this js HU on the flop not 3w.
The concept transcends: a category of hands that can make superior equity decisions by seeing another card. We can easily fold on heart turns. But our opponent will still rip his combo equity in on brick turns.
Where exactly the trashold lies for this category depends on the format and our opponent. I’m guessing our bdfd as a default makes this a +ev call where as without the bdfd around the indifferent point. But it’s worth checking up the ev’s in trainer to understand it better. Then we also know how close it is and we can adjust it say, in case of a really tight opponent that has a much stronger range with his psb cbet here.
