US Immigration Crisis

No one said anything about importing people.

Obviously neither of them should be banned. Luciom sucks, but either his posts or posts about him are a pretty sizable percentage of posts in this forum. He should probably get paid as a prop around here.

So to be clear, you're saying you want to go back to the rules being that people died in the streets, and non-white people couldn't get naturalized? Those are the things you think we did better in the past than now?

No, i am trying to tell microbet THE USA WAS NEVER EVEN CLOSE TO THE MODEL HE CLAIMS IT WAS (and that he claims to like), so he (and others claimining no filter immigration is good for society) has to admit the USA became the most powerful country in the history of the world *by actually filtering immigration and naturalization a lot since inception of the country*.

NO WELFARE, and a filter for naturalization, are exceptionally good tools that allow for a lot of positive immigration. The version of 2 hundred years ago are crude ones.

We can do much better today, no need to filter for race (which again wasn't "racism" in 1800, it was just a proxy of coming from a civilized country with values at least somewhat compatible with american ones) now that non-white developed countries exist, and naturalization can actually be sped up for quality immigrants (see Bukele proposal of giving passports for free and automatically to people in STEM and so on).

You don't need to let chronically ill people die in the streets if immigrants, you can ban them from entering and/or deporting them when they develop a costly medical condition without having a decent enough income potential.

Last week, about a mile from my house on Interstate 10, a semi pulled to the shoulder, driver ran, and opened the trailer, and a couple of dozen illegals started pouring out. A Chevy pickup pulled up behind them, and they quickly piled into the truck and its bed before scurrying away. I have the video (filmed by my sister), but I'm not sure how to post it here. It's quite a sight. They were all hiding behind a bunch of dirt in the trailer.

Deport the sick if they're poor and the poor when they get sick is new entry in my growing lexicon of Luciom foulness.

https://nypost.com/2024/04/10/us-news/em...

Embattled DHS head Mayorkas says sanctuary cities should boot criminal migrants, admits border surge a ‘crisis’

"Embattled car salesman says cities should purchase more cars, admits car shortage a 'crisis'"

That's what happens in many countries btw as you lose your job if really sick and with it your work visa.

You talk as if mine was some extremist take while it's the law in many (most) countries

Sorry, I didn't realise you were serious and not just trolling fascistic ideas for giggles and shock value.

Calling fascist the laws of Norway and Denmark is quite the claim

Don't know if that's true about those countries or you're exaggerating or just plain making things up, but lots of countries have fascist-adjacent laws, unfortunately.

Usually when you are in a country thanks to a work visa, when you lose work you lose the right to stay after some weeks/months depending on details and the country.

Is this fascist-adjacent?

Had me wondering if he's trolling. I don't think so, but he's some combination of card carrying fascist, sociopath, autist, or troll. I don't think you can discern the coefficients of each really.

you haven't followed Mayorkas very closely have you?

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/11/poll-la...

Some new polling on Latino support for Trump immigration policies.

Resentment of more recent immigrants is not unusual. It's also not good.

A guy I have worked with, and some others in his cohort of people who have grandparents or great-grandparents who came from Mexico, derisively call new arrivals "paisas" (word is not always derisive, but it is often meant that way).

Migrants claim ownership of soccer field...

lovely chaps. lets hope they phone their cousins and bring them too.

Amazing how football is suddenly popular with the right wing.

I don't think they were justified - or they were certainly impolite, but the police didn't make them move because they were following the rules.

They did make them move. They made the teams produce a permit for the field which they did, but then they decided to not play anyways-- per the article.

They didn't bring the permit and it took them 30 minutes to produce it and by then the team decided not to stay. The police and the jerks who wouldn't yield the field, I think, followed the rule, which was first come first served unless you have and show a permit.

The people in question were being Karens is what they were doing.

I think you all are missing the fact that those teams had to play in the public park because their previous location to play has been transformed into a refugee camp, as per article.

That's one of the severe quality of life losses for normal people happening with open borderism + welfare that microbet and his team deny happen.

They took something which was used by citizens and long term residents to give to the new entrants, as it happens all the times when you have welfare for immigrants.

Microbet focuses on the fact that those Africans had a right to freedom to enter the USA.

He always changes subject when the topic becomes "but we don't owe them any resource at all" yet scarce resources are taken from the people who paid taxes (or their ancestors did) to build and maintain them and given to people who never contributed to them.

It's morally horrific to justify those actions (taking stuff violently from the people who paid for it to give it to strangers) because they have nothing to do with freedom to begin with

Did it happen as described? Not reading NYP ****.