The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
yes i addressed that uke, you were so worked up in trying to argue with strangers on the internet you missed that part
try reading again
rick - You can't argue with uke about this. He feels that anything that has even the slightest chance of making a transperson* feel better is not only 100% percent legit, it should be mandated. It does not matter how these thing affect anyone else. It's the feels that count.
yes that's very clear, not to mention i already explained why repeatedly getting people who match and then promptly unmatch once they discover they are trans is not going to be a fun experience and only reinforce that they need to hide it - whereas if they are only going to be exposed to people who are open to it then it'd be a better experience
yes i know that's an absurd scenario that would never exist in real life, but sadly it is and uke thinks that's a great experience apparently because it encourages them to be comfortable in deceiving potential dating partners
i don't imagine it'd be a very fun experience for straight men to constantly match with women they are interested, begin chatting, maybe even meet for coffee, and then the woman who is a lesbian discovers that you are a male and have a penis and calls it off and ghosts you - yet that absurd hypothetical is basically what uke advocates is a great result
lol, incredible. Rick's main concern with transgender people "I can't filter them out on dating sites" actually has an incredibly simple solution that everyone seems okay with. Of course he's back whining and mewling because the gender ideologues will simply never be happy as long as people who are different exist.
yes i addressed that, you were so worked up in trying to argue with strangers on the internet you missed that part
try reading again
To be fair, you had some very long essays that ended in the conclusion I supported rape, so I didn't really read them. But nevertheless, good to know that your "more than anything" issue is one trivially dealt with via a setting in app. Good job bumble!
I thought those people put scare quotes around it, the asterisk confused me!
To be fair, you had some very long essays that ended in the conclusion I supported rape, so I didn't really read them. But nevertheless, good to know that your "more than anything" issue is one trivially dealt with via a setting in app. Good job bumble!
glad a rape supporter is trapped in a sham marriage and thus we can sleep peacefully at night
The trans movement believes a trans person is the "gender" they claim to be. So the term man or woman have no basis in anything scientific, but instead gender ideology. This isn't only their own words but they act it out as well. This is why men are forcing their way in to womens sports, bathrooms, change rooms, shelters for the abused, prisons, and of course demanding you address them as their self determined identity (or have a mega meltdown. Or have the government enforce it through the human
Biological sex and Perceived gender. Can bridge the gap through hormone therapy. Hormone therapy is valid as a means of regulating chemistry in a fashion that makes someones gender effectively biological.
I'm not sure where you are going with the differences thing. They both deserve and need to be treated with empathy and care. Otherwise they aren't particularly similar
A simple solution to the dating site issue would be for trans women who are interested in men to use dating sites targeted to gay men and for trans women interested in women to use dating sites targeted to straight women.
A simple solution to the dating site issue would be for trans women who are interested in men to use dating sites targeted to gay men and for trans women interested in women to use dating sites targeted to straight women.
this would make perfect sense but doesn't fit into anyone's ideology
and there are people who identify as straight and still date trans
one of the wildest things i ever learned about ladyboys from hanging out with them is basically 100% of their clients/boyfriends claim to not find men attractive and don't identify as gay or even bi
i used to think they were just in the closet but then after discussing it with some gay friends who all gave the unanimous "gross, i like dudes, why would i be with a dude who had tits?" another one phrased it much better "rick would you suddenly be attracted to me if you discovered i actually had a vagina"
so it is an odd paradox to say the least - you can find straight identifying 2p2ers talk about their ladyboy experiences in the various SEA threads here and they too will claim it's not gay, they find them more attractive than regular women and the penis just happens to be there and is not main entree
so i get it, and fwiw some of the most beautiful women I've ever seen in my time in asia were ladyboys, i earlier mentioned that video bryce shared with that trans model and she was stunning, in the star trek thread, last year i posted about seeing this guest star who really caught my eye to the point that i paused the show to look her up to see what else she's been in and it's there that i discover that she's trans - so i get it, and I'm not going to judge nor shame anyone who wants to date them in the slightest
but on the same token, for the vast majority of straight men, that's a bit of a deal breaker and it's just insane that i can literally tell bumble "don't you dare show me any jews or Muslims" and that is a-ok but i can't politely request that they don't bring a feed of people with penises
They're just cults. If you believe you're a woman then you're a woman. If you believe you're a man then you're a man. Not too much different than religions at all.
If you believe in chemtrails then they are real. Not too much different than religions at all
If you believe in lizard people controlling the government through the illuminati then its real
Our 17 year old is on attack right now because she downloaded the Diary Queen app to get some Blizzards and found out that you can't select chocolate ice cream for any of their treats. You can't select a chocolate ice cream cone on the app, only vanilla. She was told to "use the app but call them right after" and let them know you want chocolate ice cream and the reason it's not an option: "not all DQs have chocolate ice cream." Now she is in a tizzy because she has never been to DQ without chocolate ice cream. Then they send her a survey about the app which gets an AI response that just elevated her further.
As much fun as her mother and I are having watching her Don Quixote attempt to fix the system, her app complaints are still more important and valid than Rickrolls complaints about dating apps. And she is at least taking the fight right to the source (not that the customer service reps feel this way) rather than just complain on a completely unrelated website.
Our 17 year old is on attack right now because she downloaded the Diary Queen app to get some Blizzards and found out that you can't select chocolate ice cream for any of their treats. You can't select a chocolate ice cream cone on the app. She was told to "use the app but call them right after" and let them know you want chocolate ice cream and the reason it's not an option: "not all DQs have chocolate ice cream." Now she is in a tizzy because she has never been to DQ without chocolate ice
Yeah, I said exactly this from the start.
I have less than 0 percent interest in this conversation, other than to add this bit of hopefully helpful info:
Trans people who have lived w/ gender dysphoria their whole lives, find it extremely offensive if they are being called the gender they don't identify with. It sounds like a lot of dating apps are taking this into consideration, and trying to accommodate (in other words be compassionate). From the bumble website, it seems it's pretty easy to filter these options out... but what NO dating app can control is if a trans man, doesn't want to not identify as a trans man. They just can't.
So sorry you live in a world with people who see things differently than you (Rick)... sorry it's an inconvenience with your swiping. It seems there are some fairly reasonable solutions though, like making it clear you're only looking to date biological women in your profile, and using the filtering systems as much as you can.
If that's not good enough, don't take it up in here. E-mail their support.
A simple solution to the dating site issue would be for trans women who are interested in men to use dating sites targeted to gay men and for trans women interested in women to use dating sites targeted to straight women.
Wouldn't the "simple solution" be for trans women to use whatever the **** dating sites they want, just like the rest of us?
