Dealing with obnoxious people live
I took a long break from from poker during covid online and live. I never put in too many hours live until recently because online poker is lacking. I was playing 2/3 today and there was a fish I played with the other night. 3-bet's way too wide for his skill level, shoves pre-flop light (tournament style), and has no patience. The other night he tried to 3-bet me light because I was opening a lot of hands for probably two orbits. I was getting good cards. He three bets me when I have J,J... he has to fold when I call his flop bet and value bet the river.
We get into this hand almost two hands after I sit down:
Villain 100bb
Hero 70bb
BTN 85bb
I sit down and Im dealt Ad,Qd, I open to $10, BTN calls, SB folds, villain looks at me and 3-bets to $30 from BB.
Hero calls
Btn Calls
Flop 7s,4d,4c
Villain bets $100
Hero tanks for a bit and folds
BTN shoves all in for about $190 total
Villain looks like he just got caught and begrudgingly puts in the call.
Hero requests to see both hands
BTN shows 7,7 for full house
90% positive that Villain had A,J or a pocket pair of 6,6 or less.
Board bricks out
Villain throws his hand into the muck and covers them w the rest of the deck while staring at me.
I roll my eyes and I say "I know you like to 3-bet light man... I had good cards." in a tone thats says "why are you doing that?"
Next hand starts:
Villain: "Just so you know, everyone thinks you're a dk now for wanting to see my hand. That's the kind of stuff gets you kicked out of home games."
*Roll eyes, shake my head, and watch the Lakers game*
Villain: "I had A,A and THIS guy thinks I'm doing that light." blah blah
Hero: "You're not gonna bully me. We can go outside if you have a problem with me."
Villain: "and do what? I'm talking to you, look at you, are you threatening me now? You're a psycho." "Nice cardigan bro" "Take your glasses off" Even tells me "You weren't even in the hand."
Hero: "Did running into that feel good? I hope it was worth it." shake my head and stop engaging with him.
Villain eventually loses his stack. Rebuys for 50bb and shoves his last $80 w 4,4 preflop, gets called by A,Jo, and loses.
Seat open
A guy that is drinking and speaking very loudly sits down. Hes so loud. He beats me in a hand where I have K,4 and he shoves 30bb on a Q,J on a Ac,Kc,Qh board and hits a 10 on the turn. I say "Nice hand" and he keeps yelling about everything. We get into another hand and he wont talking. I can't think about the hand. He ends up talking me into a bad call. He starts talking about how hes got my number and so I nod and tell him "nice hand" again. Guy taps other players saying "we need more of his money" and points to me. I want to politely ask him to "please be cool" but I can tell I'm triggered at this point and I need to leave. I've been dealing with a few loud drunks in the last few sessions and my patience is thin.
I am 5'7, 145 lbs 37 years old. I am not a big man. People seem to think I am an easy target/soft, its something I've dealt with my entire life. I hate having to make it clear to people that I don't like to be fked with. I train a lot so that I DON'T have to be afraid to deal with these kinds of confrontations but fighting outside of a gym is so stupid. UGH...
Any advice/wisdom on if this gets better and how you manage drunk/loud people who don't like it if you aren't entertained by them?
You meet one asshat in a day, you met an asshat. You meet ten asshats in a day, maybe you're the asshat.
OP, out of curiosity, is having a true jerk at the table a common thing that happens when you play? The reason I ask is I've been playing for 13 years and I can only remember 3 times there was a true jerk at the table who was genuinely impacting other peoples' ability to enjoy the game.
Certainly I run into players who are occasionally rude and/or act like babies when they start losing (slamming cards, slamming chips, cussing etc.) I certainly run into the people who stupidly announce how much they know about the game, spouting off odds and terminology and whatnot. I certainly run into the people who get really arrogant once they've won a couple big hands. But those are just minor annoyances that don't really affect other people at the table significantly.
I seriously only remember 3 times where the game simply wasn't fun because of one person at the table going out of his way to make it as unpleasant as possible for the other people at the table. Just wondering if I've been luckier than you.
OP should take some of this advice to heart and look in the mirror to find solutions.
Think about this, the entirety of the information given about this situation comes directly from OP. The story is very likely to be slanted in OP's favor, and possibly even leaving out parts of the story that don't paint him in a good light. I actually don't think that's a big deal, as all people are going to have some bias towards their viewpoint in a given situation. It's just human nature.
What I believe is most telling about this thread is that despite getting only OP's version of the events, which will be the most favorable to OP, he still ended up with pages of replies letting him know that his actions played a large role in creating the situation that he believes he's a victim of.
TBH, between OPs admitted behavior and the way he described his physical appearance and personality, even the thought of sitting at a poker table with him for long periods of time puts me on life tilt.
OP, out of curiosity, is having a true jerk at the table a common thing that happens when you play? The reason I ask is I've been playing for 13 years and I can only remember 3 times there was a true jerk at the table who was genuinely impacting other peoples' ability to enjoy the game.
Certainly I run into players who are occasionally rude and/or act like babies when they start losing (slamming cards, slamming chips, cussing etc.) I certainly run into the people who stupidly announce how muc
See Disruptive’s post above. If you are a generally pleasant person (or at least a non-jerk), the likelihood of others acting like jerks to you goes way down. Not to say there aren’t jerks out there, but most people will treat you respectfully if you do the same. I suspect those who say that they see lots of jerks at the table are people who are themselves jerks, and the perceived jerkiness of others is a response to that.
Bro you're literally there to parasite off a GAME by exploiting people's bad decisions and personality traits, and you're upset when those things manifest in a way that upsets your delicate sensibilities?
Your the obnoxious one, asking to see his hand
as my time on earth is growing short I do not wish to spend my time or energy in toxic situations. Three strike rule is usually in place and then it's time to rack up and leave.
