Scared money with flopped trips on two-tone board facing a hot rock and 1 SPR...

Scared money with flopped trips on two-tone board facing a hot rock and 1 SPR...

1/3, $500 max, 9 handed, $700-$800 effective. It's early evening on a Sunday, with a much different cast of characters and a generally calmer game than what I'm used to seeing on Friday/Saturday nights.

V1 - LJ. Middle aged Latino guy, absolute maniac, VPIP >70%, RFI >40%, c-bet >90%, yet <5% 3B and <5% continue vs a 3B. Only redeeming qualities as a player are that he's driving most of the action at the table, and he'll over-fold to post-flop aggression. Haven't seen him show down very many hands, but about half of what he showed down started as pre-flop trash that flopped lucky or was turned into an ambitious bluff that got snapped off, often light.

V2 - HJ. Youngish Asian girl, literally reading a math textbook at the table, super-nit, VPIP <10%, RFI <5%. Mostly playing what appears to be fit-or-fold post-flop.

V3 - BTN. 60-ish white guy, uber-rock. VPIP ~10%-15%, RFI ~5%, been complaining to me and the OMC on his right about the maniac and dying to pick up a hand he can take to war. Hero hasn't seen him play very many hands in the last hour, and has never seen him show down a weak hand. Fairly fit-or-fold post.

Hero - SB. 50-ish white guy, TAG-ish with occasional lapses into LAG-ish. VPIP ~20%-25%, RFI ~10%-15%. Been commiserating with V3 about V1, and let it slip that I noticed V1 c-bets too much and will over-fold to post-flop aggression, admitting I check-raised him on the flop with unsuited disconnected trash from the BB recently (previous orbit), getting him to fold like a lawn chair.

OTTH...

Folds to V1 who makes it $15 in the LJ. V2 in HJ calls. OMC in the CO rage-mucks. V3 on BTN 3B to $75. Hero in SB looks down at AQss.

Hero flat calls, BB folds, V1 and V2 flat call, and we're four to a flop with $300 in the pot, and $600-$700 behind.

FLOP ($300) - KcQcQd.

H x. V1 $100. V2 folds. V3 raises to $300.

Hero?

Maybe it's MUBS, but in game, I tanked, unable to conceive a scenario in which I continued and didn't get stacked. I was seriously regretting that what I told V3 about V1's post-flop tendencies, now that I was stuck trying to figure out if V3 could ever be bluffing, or playing a marginal value hand this way.

01 May 2024 at 05:40 AM
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by docvail k

Awesome to have my psyche analyzed for free by anonymous internet experts. Thanks guys! I look forward to seeing the hands you guys post, when you always seem to weigh in after the reveal, just to throw shade.

I don't understand how what I said is relevant to your reveal other than the fact that you think you made a good fold based on what villain said to you afterwards about what they had.

I said you should fold pf and call the flop prior to you revealing the results. And after seeing the results my opinion hasn't changed.


by Mr Spyutastic k

I don't understand how what I said is relevant to your reveal other than the fact that you think you made a good fold based on what villain said to you afterwards about what they had.

I said you should fold pf and call the flop prior to you revealing the results. And after seeing the results my opinion hasn't changed.

I don't understand how this is relevant to anything, and not just throwing shade:

by Mr Spyutastic k

Yeah the table talk is just terrible and indicative of one OP's leaks which is playing for ego. He wants/needs people to know how good he is at the table.
Kind of the same reason this hand was posted
.

Did I kick your dog or something?

I make conversation with people I meet while playing, because it's a social game, and I'm not so insecure that I have to put myself into a cone of silence. Where the f**k do you get off casually throwing out the accusation that I do it because I want people to think I'm good, and bringing my ego into it?

When I roll up in a thread you post and call you a f**ktard, feel free to point out the hypocrisy.

Until then, as long as I'm being courteous in my posts and not making personal jabs, I'll continue to call it out when you or anyone else does it, because it's stupid keyboard tough-guy BS, because you and I and everyone here knows you would never go around speaking to anyone that way in person.

You do it on the internet because you're physically removed from the consequences of being an a$$hole. It speaks to a fundamental flaw in your character, that you can't be bothered with even the most basic courtesy if there's no risk of reprisal, meaning you must be a coward, unless you're constantly letting loose with casual insults in your real-world interactions, which I thoroughly doubt.

In short, if you can't respond without making it personal, feel free to f**k off. And if you can't admit you were wrong for taking a personal swipe at someone you don't know behind the safety and anonymity of the internet, especially given the irony of your Bruce Lee avatar, f**k off and die.

You, sir, are not a gentleman.


by docvail k

I don't understand how this is relevant to anything, and not just throwing shade:

Did I kick your dog or something?

I make conversation with people I meet while playing, because it's a social game, and I'm not so insecure that I have to put myself into a cone of silence. Where the f**k do you get off casually throwing out the accusation that I do it because I want people to think I'm good, and bringing my ego into it?

When I roll up in a thread you post and call you a f**ktard, feel free to point

You're right I could/should have been a bit more tactful. But I don't think anything I said is a personal attack though you are perceiving it that way.

There is a difference between being social at the table talking about whatever and the table talk of "This guy is so loose look I CR'd him w/ air because he's folding everytime blah blah"

I still stand by the opinion that kind of talk where you're revealing a "cool" play you did to others and talking strategy is terrible. Again not you the person. That specific genre of table talk.

It's like if I say someone played a hand terribly, I'm not attacking them personally.

The other part is also just my opinion of why you are making that type of table talk.
I think it typically stems from ego and some sort of need or desire for validation. I feel like this is a reasonable assumption because what other reason is there? But of course I could be wrong. Again I don't see a personal attack here though you're taking it as one.

Anyways a lot of words to say that I was just critiquing the table talk. And I do think it ties into a lot of hands that you post where the decisions are pretty clear, but the reveal is always some sort of (look at this hero fold, hero call, hero raise where it's terrible in theory, but because of this this this very unique circumstance that only I know I made the perfect play!)


by Mr Spyutastic k

You're right I could/should have been a bit more tactful. But I don't think anything I said is a personal attack though you are perceiving it that way.

There is a difference between being social at the table talking about whatever and the table talk of "This guy is so loose look I CR'd him w/ air because he's folding everytime blah blah"

I still stand by the opinion that kind of talk where you're revealing a "cool" play you did to others and talking strategy is terrible. Again not you the person

If you want to make that sort of observation about me, make it to me directly. I'm a big boy, and can take it in stride. I'd respect the opinion and the courage to express it, if it was delivered in such a way, like "Dude, consider you might be playing emotionally, and that your logic may be flawed."

Making the comment you did, not to me directly, but as an aside, to someone else, in a less artful way, and knowing I'll see it, strikes me as being smarmy, like the small kid in school who chums around with the big kid, happy to talk smack while standing in his buddy's shadow.

You don't know me. You don't know my motivations. You shouldn't make assumptions about anyone based on limited information gleaned from some limited internet discussion. If you want to know something about me, ask.

I'll tell you freely that my username originates from the earliest days of the internet, when I was a medic in the Army, where all the infantry guys called us "Doc". I was cadre at Ranger School, surrounded by men who went through 70+ days of living hell for the honor of pinning a three-inch piece of fabric to their shoulder, several who'd gone through the Army's combat diver course, somewhat analogous to Navy Seal training, some who'd also gone through special forces selections, an even longer and more arduous test of their physical stamina and mental resolve, and a few who served with Delta Force, the most elite SF unit of that service.

I spent years surrounded by some of the toughest men to ever walk the face of the Earth, more than once having been in a life-or-death situation, where my own survival or someone else's relied upon my ability to perform under pressure, and just getting through the workday required me to keep my ego in check. What would take most people a week to recover from, to us was just "Thursday".

One absolute truth I learned was that the more dangerous the man, the more unfailingly courteous he was in all his personal interactions, in uniform but even more so out of uniform, not because he feared what might happen to him, but because he rightly feared what he might be forced to do to someone else, were there some unfortunate misunderstanding.

As a corollary, I found the guys who went around acting and talking tough were bluffing, hoping to never have to back up their words with action, invariably leading to the most comical results when exactly that happened.

As a consequence, I have zero respect for people who casually insult others on the internet, because I came of age before the internet, when men learned the value of courtesy, and the potentially harsh consequences of rudeness.

It may not seem like it, but I did you a courtesy today. I showed you the respect of letting you know I saw what you did, didn't appreciate it, and that I won't have it. In the real world, that would be the only warning.

Unfortunately, most of our interactions with others now take place in virtual space, where the worst I can do is add you to my ignore list, and hope the forum moderators don't take a dim view of my audacity for calling out disrespect when I see it.

For whatever it's worth, so long as it's not laced with insulting innuendo, I do in fact value your opinion, even if it's critical of my play or reasoning, and hope you won't hesitate to share it. I should probably be more mindful to express my appreciation for anyone who would bother.


I was in the Marines for 10yrs.

So don't think you're big timing me with knowing Rangers or whatever lol.

I'm not scared.


by Mr Spyutastic k

I was in the Marines for 10yrs.

So don't think you're big timing me with knowing Rangers or whatever lol.

I'm not scared.

I served with a few Marines - one the liaison for the Marines going through Ranger School, one a colleague when I went to language school, and one who switched services and ended up working for me. Two good men and one insanely tough woman.

Based on that limited experience, I wouldn't have expected a Marine to need me to explain the value of simply not being an a$$hole, in person or on the internet.

But apparently I was wrong.


Btw I never insinuated anything about being a tough guy other than critiquing your table talk and responding to your story.

But you have now twice which is ironic.


"I did not watch my buddies die face down in the muck so that this f**ing strumpet…"

Anyone else getting some strong Walter Sobchak vibes here? Like The Dude said: Walter, face it, there isn't any connection.

Anyway, sorry if I might have offended you myself, earlier or with this post. After all, I wouldn’t want to be entering a world of pain.


by docvail k

You left out the part where I said this felt like a special situation.

I hear ya, if you have a special feeling someone has this or that just go with it if you want, you're the PIC. I would much rather go with the actual variables currently at hand like the reads and how the hand is playing to finalize my final decisions, that's just my style.


by docvail k

If you want to make that sort of observation about me, make it to me directly. I'm a big boy, and can take it in stride. I'd respect the opinion and the courage to express it, if it was delivered in such a way, like "Dude, consider you might be playing emotionally, and that your logic may be flawed."

Making the comment you did, not to me directly, but as an aside, to someone else, in a less artful way, and knowing I'll see it, strikes me as being smarmy, like the small kid in school who chums aro

by Mr Spyutastic k

I was in the Marines for 10yrs.

So don't think you're big timing me with knowing Rangers or whatever lol.

I'm not scared.

This is certainly a different way of setting up the clichéd "HeadsUp for Rollz!", trope...

Thank you both for your service.

Scrolled and tabbed? Go you, if so. Looked like fun. Pity it's how the US Army decides who to promote to Field Grade and who not.


by Homey D. Clown k

...You suspect some OMC type rock to maybe open up his game because of some sort of advice you gave him, but then on the flop he suddenly turned back into an OMC who only raises with the supernuts. I think your thought process is kind of a mess. You're trying to have it both ways and you're justifying your own decisions with arguments that contradict themselves...

I am resetting this not to be insulting to anyone, but as a good reminder to myself not to do this, (and I am guilty of it a lot) in the moment.

Ranges constrict, they don't expand as the hand continues.

Excellent observation, Homey.


you don't really ever seem to be looking for or even open to feedback in your posts


villain almost definitely had worse than KK. im guessing he spazzed with JJ or did a dumb play with AA.

also hero's pf play is lol.

and doc vs spy HU4ROLLZ?


So when you cold called the 3! from the rock, what kind of flop were you looking for?


by deuceblocker k

So when you cold called the 3! from the rock, what kind of flop were you looking for?

Ace-high with two spades would have been ideal. I wouldn't have minded queen-high with two spades. Anything that would have given me a decent combo-draw or pair + draw.

I didn't hate the KQQ flop, until V1 donked for 1/3 pot and V3 raised.

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