British Politics

British Politics

Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.

Tory leadership contest is quickly turning into farce. Trump has backed Boris, which should be reason enough for anyone with half a brain to exclude him.

Of the other candidates Rory Stewart looks the best of the outsiders. Surprised to see Cleverly and Javid not further up the betting, but not sure the Tory membership are ready for a brown PM.

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri...

Regarding the LD leadership contest, Jo Swinson is miles ahead of any other candidate (and indeed any of the Tory lot). Should be a shoe in.

Finally, it's Groundhog Day in Labour - the more serious the anti-Semitism claims get, the more Corbyn's cronies write their own obituary by blaming it on outlandish conspiracy theories - this week, it's apparently the Jewish Embassy's fault...

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by 57 On Red k

The Greens have been a significant force in Scotland for some time, despite feeble poll numbers (in fact they have been the somewhat crazy tail wagging the SNP dog, until Yousaf broke the pact), because of the proportional representation system up there. Which is why proportional representation is a bad idea. It always over-promotes fringe groups, letting them hold the balance of power in a hung parliament and putting the lunatics in charge of the asylum. See under: Israel, where religious far-r

The biggest problems with the PR system in Scotland, and they are pretty major issues, are that people who are elected through the list system can't be voted out. They are also not responsible to the electorate and instead owe their loyalty completely to party whips. It's a failed system.
The obvious example here is the Greens Lorna Slater. She would be completely out of her depth as a local councillor but was made a government minister by the SNP and ended up costing the country millions in failed policies. She's utterly incompetent but can't be voted out due to the system we have.



The numbers are pretty interesting for the local elections. At least in percentage terms, Labour performed the worst of all parties who made gains. I don't think they are in line for the big win some predict, but that to some degree depends on whether the Tories can win back some of the centre without losing more votes to Reform (and vice versa).

Labour 1,140 councillors 185 councillors gained

Liberal Democrat 521 councillors 104 councillors gained

Conservative 513 councillors 473 councillors lost

Independents 228 councillors 93 councillors gained

Green 181 councillors 74 councillors gained


Suella's not the brightest



by Elrazor k

The numbers are pretty interesting for the local elections. At least in percentage terms, Labour performed the worst of all parties who made gains. I don't think they are in line for the big win some predict, but that to some degree depends on whether the Tories can win back some of the centre without losing more votes to Reform (and vice versa).

Labour 1,140 councillors 185 councillors gained

Liberal Democrat 521 councillors 104 councillors gained

Conservative 513 councillors 473 councillors lost

Why would you look at it in % terms?


I think people are more likely to vote for the smaller parties in local elections vs general election. Eg a bunch of people who voted Green will likely vote Labour in general election.


Not only you. That effect has been well known for a long time. However, I'd still be surprised if Labour poll much higher than ~40% in the GE. Any Parliamentary majority will come mainly from Reform and LD taking votes from Tories who are unable to fully commit to the completely batshit crazy far right agenda or One Nation Toryism for fear of splitting their party for good.


[YOUTUBE][https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=etgM5H62OLE&pp=ygUYbm90IHRoZSBhbmRyZXcgbWFyciBzaG93YOUTUBE]

Incredible video; I thought Galloway was just being opportunistic but his combined message of socialism, anti-war and anti-culture wars will resonate with a lot of people. He's selling an updated version of Corbynism. The thought of Corbyn and Livingston defecting to the workers party is tantalising. For balance, I would say that he needs to tone down the homophobia or at least pretend to do so.


Not going to happen

I'd recommend the full original interview to politics nerds


by Doctor Zeus k

Why would you look at it in % terms?

Why wouldn't you? Seems reasonable to view any statistic through a variety of prisms to get a feel for what the data might predict.


by Trakk k

I think people are more likely to vote for the smaller parties in local elections vs general election. Eg a bunch of people who voted Green will likely vote Labour in general election.

I agree, but the intention is there - why not just vote labour if you are satisfied with their offering?


I would agree that it demonstrates a lack of enthusiasm for Labour.


by chezlaw k

Not going to happen

I'd recommend the full original interview to politics nerds

Bastani AND Galloway together in the one video? I'd rather set fire to my router.


Peoples Patriot's chauffeur parking his BMW in a disabled person's bay



by Husker k

Bastani AND Galloway together in the one video? I'd rather set fire to my router.

i listened to a good portion on it. he wants corbs to set up a new party, and for corbs to be the leader of a coalition of left wing parties including the galloway party

however, other than a bit of antisemitism they dont seem to have a lot in common. on social policy, corbyn is much closer to rishi sunak than he is galloway

i dont think the new left alliance is going to work out


left alliance, lol. They can't even work together when in the same party.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/202...

Muslim group issues Starmer with demands to win back lost votes over Gaza

--Demographics is destiny. Your country is so ****ed.

--Thank god most of our immgrants dont view themselves as an outside group that only votes for their narrow group interests.


by Dunyain k

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/202...

Muslim group issues Starmer with demands to win back lost votes over Gaza

--Demographics is destiny. Your country is so ****ed.

--Thank god most of our immgrants dont view themselves as an outside group that only votes for their narrow group interests.

And that's when rightwing brexiters realized that kicking away white christians who hate muslims more than they do (eastern europeans), while keeping the brown muslims in, wasn't necessarily the smartest decision in their life according to their own preferences.


by BOIDS k

i listened to a good portion on it. he wants corbs to set up a new party, and for corbs to be the leader of a coalition of left wing parties including the galloway party

however, other than a bit of antisemitism they dont seem to have a lot in common. on social policy, corbyn is much closer to rishi sunak than he is galloway

i dont think the new left alliance is going to work out

You’re doing the Lord’s work here. Fair play for enduring it.


by BOIDS k

i listened to a good portion on it. he wants corbs to set up a new party, and for corbs to be the leader of a coalition of left wing parties including the galloway party

however, other than a bit of antisemitism they dont seem to have a lot in common. on social policy, corbyn is much closer to rishi sunak than he is galloway

i dont think the new left alliance is going to work out

Although Corbyn said in March that he 'hopes' to stand as an independent for Islington North in the GE, he hasn't declared himself. It would be a huge fillip for him if his personal vote held up and he won, but it would be a huge, humiliating, career-end downer if it did not hold up and he lost, and we don't yet know if he's got the bottle, having never faced a seriously contested or risky vote before in his entire life, always the son of the manor house taking his privileged position for granted, which probably explains a lot.


by Elrazor k

Why wouldn't you? Seems reasonable to view any statistic through a variety of prisms to get a feel for what the data might predict.

The way you used it doesnt work though

Labour started with more seats

Only the tories lost seats

It will always be muuuuch harder for them to increase in the same % terms as other parties regardless of anythng else


by Dunyain k

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/202...

Muslim group issues Starmer with demands to win back lost votes over Gaza

--Demographics is destiny. Your country is so ****ed.

--Thank god most of our immgrants dont view themselves as an outside group that only votes for their narrow group interests.

4.4% of the country


Corbyn isn't an anti-semite and not supporting israeli apartheid and ethnic cleansing isn't anti-semitic either. Starmer and the tories are islamophobic for enabling israel.


by Doctor Zeus k

4.4% of the country

That was in 2011, it’s presumably a bit higher now. The “Muslim Vote” is smaller than the number of Muslims anyway though. It’s not a big deal, at least currently. It’s also only a thing at all because of current Gaza situation, hopefully that will change in the future.


by YellowBentines k

Corbyn isn't an anti-semite and not supporting israeli apartheid and ethnic cleansing isn't anti-semitic either. Starmer and the tories are islamophobic for enabling israel.

Corbyn is heavily antisemite and not because of what is being said today, of what is happening today, but because of the atrocious terrorist supporters he endorsed as labour candidate when he was the leader of the party.

The history of far left antisemitism didn't start these days.

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