British Politics
Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.
Tory leadership contest is quickly turning into farce. Trump has backed Boris, which should be reason enough for anyone with half a brain to exclude him.
Of the other candidates Rory Stewart looks the best of the outsiders. Surprised to see Cleverly and Javid not further up the betting, but not sure the Tory membership are ready for a brown PM.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri...
Regarding the LD leadership contest, Jo Swinson is miles ahead of any other candidate (and indeed any of the Tory lot). Should be a shoe in.
Finally, it's Groundhog Day in Labour - the more serious the anti-Semitism claims get, the more Corbyn's cronies write their own obituary by blaming it on outlandish conspiracy theories - this week, it's apparently the Jewish Embassy's fault...
That was in 2011, it’s presumably a bit higher now. The “Muslim Vote” is smaller than the number of Muslims anyway though. It’s not a big deal, at least currently. It’s also only a thing at all because of current Gaza situation, hopefully that will change in the future.
Yh fair enough
Muslims aren't a homogenous group anyway, although votes align on gaza.
Straight from the horses mouth
The Labour party broke equalities law including harassment and discrimination over antisemitism in the party, an investigation by the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) has found.
In a long-awaited report, the EHRC said there were “serious failings in the Labour party leadership in addressing antisemitism and an inadequate process for handling antisemitism complaints”.
It said Labour under the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn was responsible for three breaches of the Equality Act, connected to harassment, political interference in antisemitism complaints and inadequate training for those handling the complaints.
The EHRC’s lead investigator, Alasdair Henderson, said the failure of leadership must ultimately stop with Corbyn. “As the leader of the party at the time, and given the extent of the failings we found in the political interference within the leader of the opposition’s office, Jeremy Corbyn is ultimately accountable and responsible for what happened at that time,” Henderson said.
Corbyn is heavily antisemite and not because of what is being said today, of what is happening today, but because of the atrocious terrorist supporters he endorsed as labour candidate when he was the leader of the party.
The history of far left antisemitism didn't start these days.
stfu about things you know nothing about. Your endless proselytizing for fascist causes is obvious to anyone with functioning grey matter.
stfu about things you know nothing about. Your endless proselytizing for fascist causes is obvious to anyone with functioning grey matter.
The UK labour party was a relevant one in the EU parliament so as an european i monitored them, Corbyn was a true antisemite who spent political capital to let actual terrorist supporters enter parliament.
In the UK like everywhere else, the radical left caters to the worst people in society.
stfu you repetitive ranting fascist fool.
That's not my name, creepy fascist.
Corbyn isn't an anti-semite and not supporting israeli apartheid and ethnic cleansing isn't anti-semitic either. Starmer and the tories are islamophobic for enabling israel.
the kindest and most generous interpretation that i can come up with is that antisemitism got out of hand in the labour party while corbyn was leader, and his response was to pretend it wasnt happening. a policy he maintains to this day
That's not kind or generous. It's extremely biased. There was limited anti-semitism, mainly just historical tweets from little known party members. It got blown out of proportion by the state of israel and our gutter press. He's right not to accept responsibility because he didn't do anything himself and in political speak, apologising is different from accepting responsibility. The far right accusing people of racism is particularly galling since they're responsible for most of it. Johnson said veiled muslim women look like letterboxes. Direct racism from a party leader, excused because he's a cHaRaCtEr. Where was the media fury, inquiry or report into that?
he didn't kick the antisemitic monsters out of the party with shame and disgrace.
"So many" = "me and my fellow right wing extremist liar diebitter, 2+2s twin towers of ****."
the kindest and most generous interpretation that i can come up with is that antisemitism got out of hand in the labour party while corbyn was leader, and his response was to pretend it wasnt happening. a policy he maintains to this day
Which is why he lost the whip, permanently. And he still won't say if he's going to stand as an independent, which would represent the kind of normal political risk that he's never had to take.
Funny, if agreeing with Lucifer (which you've been doing a lot of recently) is funny to you.
I'm sorry for finding al Jalfrezi funny. But I did. I haven't agreed with the specific politics of Lucifer, (which I also find funny if that makes you feel better) not lately or indeed ever. Lighten up fam.
the devil has all the best tunes
Oddly I was talkign about this long forgotten brexit poitn with someone earlier today
Berlin and Brussels should share some of the blame for Brexit, German Christian Democratic Union (CDU) leader Friedrich Merz said.
In an interview with the Financial Times, the leader of Germany’s main opposition party hinted the former German chancellor — fellow Christian Democrat Angela Merkel, although he did not mention her by name — could have done more to help the U.K.’s then-Prime Minister David Cameron win the vote.
“I remember that David Cameron asked for changes to EU social policy and came back to London empty-handed,” Merz said, adding that “the continental Europeans were not entirely blameless when it came to Brexit.”
“We lost patience with the special role that Britain always played in European politics. We didn’t do enough to help them come to a different referendum result,” he said.
Some hopeful sentiment that just maybe could devlop a bit with a future labour government
Merz, whose center-right CDU is flying high in opinion polls, added he wanted closer ties between the U.K. and the EU.
“We have a plethora of opportunities, at least in foreign and defense policy, that we should explore together,” he said. “We Germans have a huge strategic interest in keeping the U.K. closely engaged in Europe.”
I watched this through and thought it was pretty interesting, as I didn't know much of Galloway's views on anything other than Israel, and now I do.
Otoh, this interview was somewhat disappointing as they didn't push Liz Truss nearly enough on some of her answers.
Still, probably worth a listen for a PoV take on the collapse of the Tories.
her central claim is that the OBR is too left wing and doesn't sufficiently weigh tax cuts in its long term growth calculations blah blah, and that their leaked forecasts did her in
but i dont know why she is allowed to pretend that participants in the financial markets are duty-bound to agree with the OBR's analysis. they aren't. it was the OBR AND INFINITELY MORE IMPORTANTLY the markets that both thought you were full of **** love
i am more fascinated by liz truss than anything else in political history. there's a lot of hyperbole about politicians and how useless they are, "i wouldn't trust him to walk my dog" and so on, but with liz you can honestly and truthfully say that if she was working in a middle manager position at a large company she would not stand out among her peers. i will never understand how she became prime minister. the proximate cause is the tory membership, but how did she come to be placed in front of them as a candidate? how did she become foreign secretary?
How did someone as mediocre as John Major become FS, Chancellor and PM? Happenstance.
I disagree that Truss wouldn’t stand out in a group of middle managers. She’s clearly detached from reality but very good at maths, whereas middle managers are usually crap at maths and reasonably sane.
i am more fascinated by liz truss than anything else in political history. there's a lot of hyperbole about politicians and how useless they are, "i wouldn't trust him to walk my dog" and so on, but with liz you can honestly and truthfully say that if she was working in a middle manager position at a large company she would not stand out among her peers. i will never understand how she became prime minister. the proximate cause is the tory membership, but how did she come to be placed in front o
I agree with this analysis. You can say someone like Gove is a similar oddball who would likely not make a popular PM, but Gove is clearly a very capable politician and also an excellent orator.
However, Truss literally has no redeeming features as an individual. It was just weird and awkward watching her impersonate Thatcher while campaigning for the Tory leadership. And given everything that went on, not a hint of personal reflection or growth from the experience. For example, has she never considered that her failure to achieve anything as a minister was because she wasn't very good at the job, rather than some "deep state" conspiracy theory?
