“Death to America”
I’m open to hearing the moral case for allowing people residing in America to chant this and mean it. It’s not just about policing the specific words but rather the spirit and the desire to spread this spirit to others.
I mean youre just making things up so why not go with it
in the USA (which is what countries legal system we were discussing) treason is defined as helping someone the US is at war with, did you know that?
And since the US hasnt been at war with anyone since ww2 or maybe korea, nobody can be charged with treason.
Did you know that?
If yes, why did you waste our time with this
if not, why are you making posts about words you dont even know the definitions of?
I mean youre just making things up so why not go with it
in the USA (which is what countries legal system we were discussing) treason is defined as helping someone the US is at war with, did you know that?
And since the US hasnt been at war with anyone since ww2 or maybe korea, nobody can be charged with treason.
Did you know that?
If yes, why did you waste our time with this
if not, why are you making posts about words you dont even know the definitions of?
...Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq again...are you even aware of recent history? You have to be trolling here.
I think he's largely correct as far as I can tell.
[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_laws_in_the_United_States"]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_laws_in_the_United_States[/URL]
In the United States, there are both federal and state laws prohibiting treason.[1] Treason is defined on the federal level in Article III, Section 3 of the United States Constitution as "only in levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." Most state constitutions include similar definitions of treason, specifically limited to levying war against the state, "adhering to the enemies" of the state, or aiding the enemies of the state, and requiring two witnesses or a confession in open court.[2] Fewer than 30 people have ever been charged with treason under these laws.[3]
"only in levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."
That's quite different than "treason is defined as helping someone the US is at war with", especially when he then states that the US hasn't been at war since WW2.
That's quite different than "treason is defined as helping someone the US is at war with", especially when he then states that the US hasn't been at war since WW2.
I don't see what's incorrect about that. Note that we haven't tried anyone for treason since WWII, probably for the reason he's suggesting.
The key difference - to me at least - is that it does not depend on if the US has declared war or is actively pursuing a military action. It depends on what others are doing, either active war or just being an enemy.
The key difference - to me at least - is that it does not depend on if the US has declared war or is actively pursuing a military action. It depends on what others are doing, either active war or just being an enemy.
But I think that's correct, whether or not you will be charged with treason depends very much on whether the US is in a declared war. Which is why even guys who have joined the Taliban haven't been hit with formal treason charges.
It may be a distinction without a difference, but a charging decision is not the same how a crime is defined.
1. What the hell is this thread lol
2. I guess luciom has spread
It may be a distinction without a difference, but a charging decision is not the same how a crime is defined.
You can’t commit treason unless you’re helping an enemy of the US. Enemies are defined as countries we are at war with.
War takes a declaration of congress
What other basic definitions do you guys need
I honestly am not surprised that you’re not smart enough to A) know your history, or B) recognize when someone knows more than you
Or C) fact check things yourself
Gosh. Maybe I've been reading history from an alternate dimension so, where there was in fact a war in Vietnam involving America and living in a parallel universe where America went to war with and invaded Iraq. Thanks for clearing that up.
Gosh. Maybe I've been reading history from an alternate dimension so, where there was in fact a war in Vietnam involving America and living in a parallel universe where America went to war with and invaded Iraq. Thanks for clearing that up.
You do realize there’s an easy way to correct this.
And we can even bet on it
Wanna do that?
Ah. They must have been "special military operations" so, TrollyMcPutin.
Irrelevant if they weren't legally declared, they were still effin wars.
You do realize there’s an easy way to correct this.
And we can even bet on it
Wanna do that?
A) I don't make bets
B) Even if I did you've tried to weasel outa lost bets before so no thanks.
No I didn’t. I clearly said I wanted to bet on a military test to beat my results on that same test. Someone from outside the US decided that an online version would be sufficient. I said that was not the same but I would do it anyway
That is not a weasel lmao
Keep up the lies
If they weren’t wars then nobody could commit treason. Do you understand that
This can cause a lot of grief to the left one day.
Firstly 'aid and comfort' - more or less anything could be covered by that
'at war with' - could be considered legally different to 'legally at war with'
maybe the courts side with the defendent but a) were talking abouth the usa and b) it's far too late when if ever it reaches a court decision
The US is only allowed to go to war if the people(represented by congress and senate) agree to and authorize the war.
