[NL10] QQ in 3-bet pot
I didn't want to 4-bet/call in this spot considering we were openning from EP. Playing 3-bet pot OOP is not great idea either especially on A/K-high textures. But not sure if it has to be always 4-bet here, what is your opinion? So, the hand:
PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 26.25, PFR: 21.25, 3Bet Preflop: 20.51, Hands: 81)
SB: 187.5 BB (VPIP: 18.52, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
BB: 119.8 BB (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 14.91, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 163)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 103.3 BB
CO: 59.8 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 5)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♥ Q♣
Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BTN raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 6 BB
Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 9♥ 3♥ 6♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 6.1 BB, Hero calls 6.1 BB
Turn: (31.7 BB, 2 players) J♣
Hero checks, BTN bets 22.6 BB, Hero calls 22.6 BB
River: (76.9 BB, 2 players) T♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 62.3 BB and is all-in,
Hero - ?
I think this would be quite standard until the river given the preflop action, do not see value in 3-betting on earlier streets, but may be I don't understand something. So here on the river he is pushing all-in. I would assume him checking back top pair/over pair type of hand on the river, so I see his range very polarized. I am curious of your thought process here 😀
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4betting preflop has more EV for sure.
Villain's cbet size is quite strange in flop, it should be around half pot bc QQ-KK-AA are betting for value and JJ-TT for protection, broadways with equity and even some AX, KX 3bet bluff that have hearths here or backdoor with diamonds also are betting half pot. Based on the sizing it could be AK,AQ.
If you play QQ calling a 3bet and not 4betting, I think you have pretty solid X/R here, we has some automatic folds betting 1/3 and facing a raise and you are winning hands that call like JJ/TT.
As played, I call turn and I have a though decision in river. I probably fold in river if I don't have much info about villain.
Just always 4b. QQ always good vs AK+ shove
As opposed to calling and having to play QQ oop 3 streets vs super strong range?
EDIT: gtow calls some QQ (but vs weaker 3b range)
I would 4B, because of the BTN 3B%:20% in 89 hands
I'd be x/jaming the turn. Too many worse hands still betting, lots of draws w/ the 3-bet being from the button and your opponents 3-bet freq. As played river is close, but looks like a fold. I'd assume solvies want you to call non heart QQ's here though.
As far as 4-betting pre, typically not against an aggressive 3-bettor. I'd prefer to just keep his weaker range in and get him into a spot like this to stack him, vs being worried about playing OOP in a 3-bet pot. I think it's fine 4-betting some of the time though of course.
I assume vs a 7.5x 3bet? I think vs 9BB the solver would 4bet almost always, the dead money in the pot is tempting especially in a high rake environment if the "no flop, no rake" rule applies (but of course I don't have the preflop solver to compute the solution and confirm or invalidate my point)
yup. also mixing in JJ/TT/lots of worse suited broadway crap that will function poorly against either a) tighter 3b range or b) wider calling range
I think if you remove all the 4b bluffs EV will funnel directly into QQ as pretty much mandatory. And if they are loose and overcall, QQ will prefer that lower spr post too
Nothing wrong with 4b/call pre. It'd be different if it was SB/BB who 3bet because not only is their range stronger, but we also can play a pot in position. That being said, BEN'S 3bet range is more polarized than CO and MP so calling and looking to gii otf/ott is also fine.
Could x/r otf, but if we don't do so otf we should definitely crai ott.
As played, river is a fold as villain isn't bluffing enough on this runout.
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Thank you for replies and interesting disussions. Learn something every day. Yeah, probably would be much easier to just 4-bet pre. And is seems as played should be fold otr. Somehow I made a call, below are results:
Spoiler
Hero calls 62.3 BB and is all-in
BTN shows K♥ A♦ (High Card, Ace)
Hero shows Q♥ Q♣ (One Pair, Queens)
Hero wins 191.5 BB
maybe you played it perfectly? would need RDA priors to know.
