plo diary of a trash reg
The purpose of the thread:
1) Public accountability
2) Finding a hard working group of people
3) I am interested in a mentor who is playing actively and winning 25/50+. I am willing to do a multi year deal if the value I get will compensate me. I contacted some guys who are playing that high but no one was willing to work with me. I do understand it though, who wants to work with some trash reg at plo50?
4) Understand the game and enjoy the process
For people who dont know me
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I used to play sngs for a very long time, switched to mtts due to lack of action in higher stakes. I grinded mtts for 4.5 years but the last 1.5-2 years I didn’t enjoyed grinding. It was a combination of not taking any breaks either from studying or playing, having no freedom and getting in a big(normal for the stakes) downswing loading 10ks while taking the decision to clear it in lower stakes, dropping the highest stakes
On the positive side, I worked with some great people and I met people in live trips which I consider friends and we keep good relationship until this day. The good memories significantly outweight the bad ones which are coming from the standard downswing in the 10ks
I stopped my mtt grind around a year ago and I ‘’lost’’ 2 months because a family member was in and out from hospital due to some backbone injuries. Then I decided to give plo a shot without knowing the rules, but I wanted to try whether I like the game or not. I found a group which I studied 6m cash for a month but I felt I didn’t have any progress. As a beginner I needed a different way of thinking to break down the game and I decided to leave the group
Someone suggested to me learning hu plo and he was certain of having a clear plan to teach me if I am willing to give the format a shot. I said to myself I will give 5 months and whatever happens. Unfortunately this person wasn’t helpful and while I worked a ton on my game alone, I felt my progress wasn't equal to the hours I studied while the coach didn’t really have any clear plan to teach and the sessions were all over the place. I felt I wasted another 5 months in a format that it is very difficult to put volume (I was told the opposite) while playing more than 1 table was leading to constant mistakes
That was the first time I failed in something and it is very difficult to pick myself up. I put a lot of hours and I still consider I am completely trash. I am in a very bad state of mind the last two months, I am not gonna grind hu plo more and I feel whatever option I will choose between 6m plo or 6m nl cash I will fail. I started working with a mindset coach and a cbt psychologist. I don’t know who will be more helpful but I will keep you posted
This limbo state of mind is slowly fading away, I am leaning into playing 6m plo cash since plo is the most fun game I have ever played. Even though i know i am a trash reg i never had more fun in a poker game than grinding hu plo. I did some plo trainer work, obviously a ton of mistakes but I am willing to give it a shot. I will give myself until end of August 2024 to play some reasonable stakes with some reasonable winrate. I will be fine with something like plo200 at 3bb/100+ prerakeback. If I fail I will go back to mtts
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HUplo graph plo50-plo200 pokerstars (few hands are plo200)
I wasn’t planning to create a thread but I feel disgusted with myself wasting 2 months doing absolutely nothing with my life.
I do have some daily goals but I will not write the specifics here just the categories
Poker daily goals: 8 categories / 30 days = total 240
Fitness daily goals: 2 categories / 30 days = total 60
Mental daily goals: 4 categories / 30 days = total 120
P.S. I have some very bad behaviour regarding my chatting skills when grinding. I am trying actively to fix them. If you are offended....
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don't
Bankroll 10k for plo50
Shot at plo100 when bankroll 14k
Shot at plo200 when bankroll 19k
Shot at plo500 when bankroll 38k
Each shot will be a 3-5 buy in stop loss
Glgl. First question is why are you grinding on stars? Volume is on zoom I presume? 2nd thing is BRM seems extremely nitty, its higher EV to move up and down faster rather than having such a strict BRM strategy. I transitioned from NL cash to PLO 5 years ago and wish I made the switch earlier. Welcome to the great game
GL GL! will follow this closely 😀
Where are located?
Finally, a 2+2 handle I recognize from back when. glgl
<3
Thanks
Glgl. First question is why are you grinding on stars? Volume is on zoom I presume? 2nd thing is BRM seems extremely nitty, its higher EV to move up and down faster rather than having such a strict BRM strategy. I transitioned from NL cash to PLO 5 years ago and wish I made the switch earlier. Welcome to the great game
As a beginner, the most important part is volume in order to get the most feedback. Pokerstars zoom is the only room where you can get semi constant volume. I tried to start 6m tables but playing 5 hands hu each time before table gets 3 handed+ is not something in my interest. I assume in higher stakes tables will fill slower, its not the case in anything bellow plo200
Brm, baseroll doesnt matter, i assume i am not winning the games since my 6m experience is limited at best. Winning 80 buy ins before making the jump from plo50 to plo100 while learning the game is fine
Someone got caught with their hand in the cookie jar
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Not my hh, anyone knows why this is happening? I have seen 3 different hhs where gg's cashout seems bugging. Not sure if it is a bug or not but i couldnt find a clear explanation
yeah, bet bet shove here unless board pairs or backdoor diamonds hit. Great board for you to barrell off here.
yeah, bet bet shove here unless board pairs or backdoor diamonds hit. Great board for you to barrell off here.
Thanks for the insight. We are oop in a high frequency check spot, in these spots i assumed we need some kind of equity+blockers to start betting (common pattern in high frequency check spots). I also think our hand has some showdown value, not sure it is a good idea to turn it into a bluff from flop. I looked it up in plotrainer at various positions and stack depths, mainly our combo is going for check. If you have any strong arguments to take the betting line let me know
I guess i couldnt have wished for a worst hand vs hand interaction
First days dont look good, but ton of work to put
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please put lube before, doesnt feel good without
Thanks for the insight. We are oop in a high frequency check spot, in these spots i assumed we need some kind of equity+blockers to start betting (common pattern in high frequency check spots). I also think our hand has some showdown value, not sure it is a good idea to turn it into a bluff from flop. I looked it up in plotrainer at various positions and stack depths, mainly our combo is going for check. If you have any strong arguments to take the betting line let me know
I would not personally bet mw here but boardway boards is generally neutral in terms of range v range equity but you prob have more nuts than IP caller, I can see arguments for both checking range or cb, no reason to play GTO here imo. 1 pair is almost never SD value in PLO especially on a drawy board like that, you can't XC so you're really just hoping guy don't bluff his weaker 1 pair type hands and you get to SD. If I did whiff on XR on flop, I would just pot pot. I think that line is more credible.
Thanks for the insight. We are oop in a high frequency check spot, in these spots i assumed we need some kind of equity+blockers to start betting (common pattern in high frequency check spots). I also think our hand has some showdown value, not sure it is a good idea to turn it into a bluff from flop. I looked it up in plotrainer at various positions and stack depths, mainly our combo is going for check. If you have any strong arguments to take the betting line let me know
I wouldn't do it at 50 bb but this the right spot and stack depth to apply pressure. You have good blockers to current nuts and future nuts but limited showdown value. Also, PLO trainer wants you to check raise lot when you check here so the argument about not turning your hand into a bluff is kinda moot. The main argument for c-betting here is that its not clear you can depend on ppl to bet enough here in position to have a lot of check raises.
Fwiw, I ran a few different sims as well. At 100bbs, mp vs co with the nut flush draw blocker has you c betting at 70%. It does however drop considerably one position later.
I decided to play a bit more hu. I strongly believe it is the best form of poker. I guess it is near impossible to run like a normal person in pokerstars and i decided to withdraw the rest of my money and focus on the rest of platforms and 6max
no lube stars month to date
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no lube stars since i got my second coaching session
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Honorable mention to their terrible support. I requested all my plo hhs since i have a couple of sessions missing, they told me they will send them within an hour. They send half of them. I asked again and i explained they sent half of them. They apologized and told me they will send within an hour. I contacted through live support, again, since (obviously) they didnt send anything. Answer? Yes you guess right, they will send soon. 2hours later nothing. Less than 90k hands, such a difficult job to do. Once upon a time, pokerstars was the epitome how to run a company, they can even do a proper promo anymore
I wouldn't do it at 50 bb but this the right spot and stack depth to apply pressure. You have good blockers to current nuts and future nuts but limited showdown value. Also, PLO trainer wants you to check raise lot when you check here so the argument about not turning your hand into a bluff is kinda moot. The main argument for c-betting here is that its not clear you can depend on ppl to bet enough here in position to have a lot of check raises.
Fwiw, I ran a few different sims as well. At 100bbs
I wish, there will be a point, where i have your high understanding of plo and i will not do things at 50bb but i will do them at 60bb because it is the right stack depth to apply pressure. Until then i will just click my buttons and donate to keep the pool alive. I just hope i will reach your level soon
When ex plo500+ reg asks you ''where were you? are things rough from you?''
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I dont know if it tears of tilt or laughter anymore
Within 30 mins of 1 tabling hu, gotta love this plo50 reg
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real bosses fold this on the river but curiosity took over
Gotta keep them grinding
Even painful to read! Keep pushing!
lol, quite standard variance + i am not good in this game = low winrates. Nothing unexpected. My view didnt change, plo is the most fun game. I just like taking the piss on regs even though i am quite sh.t myself. At least i am having some more fun
Also if i was taking the limit a bit more serious i would switch many river decisions. Imo AQ83 is a fold, hand screams exactly what he has. Bet timing makes me think he has no AJ since he snap probed 2bb and snap called raise. I think AJxx would take some minor time at least to think betting bigger or raising and i doubt he does this line with straights
AAK8 imo should be xc river instead of betting (i dont know if solver agrees), but blocking top2 kinda sucks. His sets should value bet anyway and might catch some random bluffs (even though villain doesnt fit this kind of profile). If i took a couple of seconds more or the limit was a bit more serious, i would have followed better river lines which is where the money are made in hu
K953 is propably a check and shouldnt even have a limp strategy preflop. I just wanted to expirement with this today because i ran some sims against different profiles
Another gem reg from today's session
comedy show
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obv flip is obv
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I would have lost my mind about cheating if it was 6 handed, at least now i can just laugh with these runouts. Pokerstars recycling machine go brrrrrr
LOOOOOOOL
Cant even play 10 hands in this dogshit rng and this happens. Just grateful i am running near ev on gg and not this 90bi under ev playing hu on stars
Another gem reg from today's session
comedy show
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obv flip is obv
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I would have lost my mind about cheating if it was 6 handed, at least now i can just laugh with these runouts. Pokerstars recycling machine go brrrrrr
All these double suited Axxx which arent even a 3bet, pokerstars is like, AA? Flopped a straight? flip it on the flop
