Online dating thread
I started this as a thread where 2+2 members could share advice on online dating. I'm 25 years old, and have had trouble finding a GF in person, so I've decided to try the online route.
I admittedly have no game when it comes to girls, as I'm a natural shy person, so I'll mostly be on the receiving end of the knowledge. As I improve, I'll share the wealth. :-)
From poker I've learned how helpful it is to have an advisor to give you advice and encouragement, and sympathize with you when you fail.
For starters, what are the best sites out there for free, and what sites are worth laying the money down for a subscription ? I'm on POF and OKcupid.
Online dating is easy y’all are just ****ing it up
You’re referring to me? I would love to laugh at what you consider empathy training. “If she has herpes, empathetically have sex with her without ever kissing her, then try to have sex with her friends, then brag about all of those things on the internet. That’s empathy”.
Yeah, sounds amazing.
Not sure why you’re taking all these girls out to “swanky sushi dates” that you haven’t even kissed. Definitely not the optimal strategy, but hey, maybe you hate money.
Haha. So true. I like eating out and is so much better if I go with someone else Vs alone (I’m new to area so I have few friends I can ask out- and like the one girl I know has a serious bf so no way I see her going with me bc we had a small thing back in the day).
Yea I’m going to def tone down nice dinners and stick to cheaper stuff. Sushi is at a nice place that is supposed to be best here and is what $120 for 2 people plus drinks. Not a common thing I do but if she doesn’t like me- it’s fine if I spend 120+ on a nice dinner.
I’m slightly worried bc online dating is starting to get sparse here and it seems like matches are drying up. I’m trying to join a lot of groups per se or atleast more than I did in last (tennis, pickleball, kickball league with happy hour agter , might do a meetup group or something else). I feel these are solid avenues if online dating doesn’t go as planned over next 6 months. Hopefully it goes well with sushi girl but idk- she’s going to be living 45 min away which is rough. I’ll post here if I have good story with it. First date- I didn’t go for a kiss bc we were both sober lol and I just didn’t get vibes she was going to accept it. I’m pretty sure I’m going to just go for it and invite her back Friday and see what happens. I could be wrong but I feel asian girls tend to skew on more conservative side so I don’t see her back unless I blow her socks off and she’s into early hookups.
Might as well ask advice here- for girl I took to 2 dinners and 3 other dates (tennis, pickleball, etc). She’s like nerdy- into board games, super smart, engineer etc. I might just keep her around as a friend. She’s going to Canada for 2 months for work and told me she doesn’t go on many dates (we met from hinge). I feel kinda like a sucker bc I wouldn’t be surprised if she makes more $ than me and I’ve just happily paid for her meals even though she has offered lol. I took her to a food festival event this weekend and said hey stop at my place before and we can drive over and she declined. She doesn’t drink (said she gets asian glow + can’t breath lol). I like her personality but like appearance wise she could lose some weight. She’s like a nice girl but I can tell already she’s not going to put out pre serious relationship prolly. I also feel I could hail Mary and invite her to my place for dinner but I just get the vibe she’s not going to agree to it lol. I’m just considering cooling off with texting her and let her make a play if she wants before she leaves in a few weeks but I doubt it bc she’s even less socially adept than me haha. She’s like a good girl that would be marriage material bc no glaring red flags in her life but just not fun in general bc she doesn’t drink and let loose (probably a slight red flag but not terrible per se).
As someone who is currently divorcing someone who turned into an alcoholic, I think someone who doesn’t let loose isn’t a huge deal if you like them
But idk man - you’ve had 5 dates with her and haven’t ****ed her? I can’t imagine that. Is there no chemistry?
As someone who is currently divorcing someone who turned into an alcoholic, I think someone who doesn’t let loose isn’t a huge deal if you like them
But idk man - you’ve had 5 dates with her and haven’t ****ed her? I can’t imagine that. Is there no chemistry?
Def chemistry. She’s like nerdy man. I feel she has low self esteem and I just haven’t tried to hard to progress like ask her back to my place bc I just get the vibe she’s not going to agree. She told me she doesn’t do online dating really which I believe. I honestly feel I’m only guy she is seeing at the moment and I’m just not like super into her sexually bc I feel she’s the type that you date seriously or just be friends with. I can tell she’s not the type that is fine with casual sex or wants something more loose.
It’s my fault though bc I haven’t tried to ask her back to my place post dinner. If I did- I would clearly know what’s going on. She told me she’s going to Canada and I was like I don’t see the point of trying that hard bc im not going to try and long distance relationship with her. I just get the vibe she’s a “good girl” that isn’t into early casual sex with a relationship: maybe I’m crazy but sometimes you can easily get that vibe with a girl- like most girls are dtf or show clear signs of being dtf and she hasn’t honestly. Not drinking doesn’t help- I always feel drinking pushes girls to make more rash decisions like go back to a guys place if they are interested and maybe a tad nervous to agree to it.
Final note- we get along well and I don’t want to lose her as a friend. I feel if I sleep with her and stop keeping in constant contact bc I’m with another girl when she’s gone- she’s going to be angry and not want to be friends down the road. She has similar hobbies to me (tennis/ pickleball) so I feel not losing her as a friend is a good move. I’m going to try and hook up with other girl I’m seeing and just feel like she’s very into me if I don’t F it up on our 2nd date. The other girl is prettier and basically has a solid career and similar green flags to the 5 dates chicks- she’s just way better looking; like no comparison.
a few questions
- is this specific to all apps or just one?
- re delete and re-install...so effectively create a new profile from scratch?
all apps but i assume you mean bumble and tinder mainly
yes do that every 6 months , if you do it too often like every other week then you ight get shadow banned.
first time I ever actually fell "in love" hanged over and slept in same bed with her about 14x in 2 months and even gave her flowers and valtenies day card after about 2.5 months of seeing her..I still feel that was a bad move on my end
anyways i only slept with her twice during that whole time, i was scared and whatnot, at times it would be late, she would be after work wouldnt shower ust wanted to sleep so we just layed in bed and cuddled till fell asleep I was tired too, i was just a scared little bitch and never enforced anything, sure I would makke out with her a lot but only having sex onnce maybe twice (made sure she got off 2-3x) but still, i feel that's the reason she just dissociated herself with.
my very close friends say thats very weird that it was that low but ultimately they think that was only 10% of the reason why there was prolly more, i think the flowers gave her the hard ick, after vday we hung out one more time I was starting to get sick, i said i would text her next day, we would text bak and forth 1-2x a day then i noticed responses were longer longer than then she jut didnt respond after a double text
cringe me decided to give her a care package a week after i felt beter and she said she couldn't hang cause she was sick.. i left a big bag of things for her she then texts me it made her cry and how nice of me etc etc but after a week the responses went from normal responses to day after etc and i should have seen writing on the wall
i guess i ****ed up, i handled it wrong, a) should have communicate my intention better but b) all my life I have legit done casual, first time I got very very dtrong feelings and I didnt know how to respond and handle it and I bet i just rubbed her the wrong way
to this day my friends say its no big deal and its weird she just ghosted like that but i didnt expect her to do that. they said its due to my poor comm that I should have expressed mysself during valenties day and a big **** up was hte day after valentines day she said she had a lot on her mind and couldnt sleep i never asked her what was on her mind...we did hang out 2 days later tho and i slept over her place but then after that i got sick and then she got sick and she just..wasnt as repsonsive : /
I would think I'm getting punked with these stories.
Are you Ashton Kutcher???
I honestly think that is why she isn’t talking to me now. During sex, she def enjoyed it by sounds she made. Yea I’m a goon I was a tad drunk and doing porn like dirty talk. I didn’t think someone would take it seriously. Maybe bad bc she didn’t drink a lot and I had a little more than her.
I’m a goof so felt I learned a lesson with that one. I’m like certain that bothered her even though she didn’t say anything. I found it weird she slept with me and then later on goes oh I don’t think we were a match lol. In convo, she like wanted to hang a lot and me travel to see her 70-80 min away which is a little bonkers. I felt she got mad when I said I don’t travel like that often- still found it odd she slept with my and stayed the night lolz.
Yea sorry for my stories. I just wanted to spitball what I have going on. I’m going to vegas for wsop in a few weeks. Not sure I’m going to hit dating apps hard as I met girls last 2 times there and just had terrible tourny poker run bad. Feel I should just focus on poker and maybe try to meet a girl out at a club if I go out 1-2 nights. I’m meeting up with some guy friends from England so we might get bottle service on a day I skip poker mtts for a pool party, feel that could lead to some fun if I play my cards right and act cool + don’t get too drunk- skipping one day of the WSOP $1500 monster stack for that which is prolly good.
If you want coaching while in vegas hmu. Bottle service isn’t going to help you, it will hurt you unless you’re really attractive
Your best bet in vegas (for one night stands) are poker girls and face to face pickup.
Don’t call girls names or make critical comments about their bodies/ sex stuff
@malucci
Empathy isn’t sympathy.
A girl came over with a short dress and her titties out. I asked her if she wanted me to **** her and she said yes.
What do you think would hurt her more? Me having sex with her without kissing or me saying actually we can’t have sex cause of your cold sore
Honestly, what do you think is worse?
If you want coaching while in vegas hmu. Bottle service isn’t going to help you, it will hurt you unless you’re really attractive
Your best bet in vegas (for one night stands) are poker girls and face to face pickup.
Don’t call girls names or make critical comments about their bodies/ sex stuff
@malucci
Empathy isn’t sympathy.
A girl came over with a short dress and her titties out. I asked her if she wanted me to **** her and she said yes.
What do you think would hurt her more? Me having sex with
I’m going to be honest- in vegas, I’m totally fine with not doing well with ladies. I don’t want to get bottle service for women- I want to do it to be with friends and if I find a girl cool- if not who cares.
I’ve done well the past 2 summers in vegas. Met 2 girls that became solid friends with hookups and both were attractive in my viewpoint. Vegas is kinda tough bc you get some skanky chicks just looking for a good time. Honestly if I set up dates, I just want company at dinner or someone to talk to and if nothing happens- idc. Just would be fine hooking up with a girl I can trust won’t rob me + is classy. Met a chick from England last summer at Wynn pool party I thought I had chance to hook up with. I passively asked her to come to my hotel and she declined but later on IG said she was lonely and wanted a cuddle lol. It was super late so I just bypassed it but pretty sure it could have worked.
I’m meeting up with some bros from England so feel bottle service at a pool party will be a load of fun regardless. I’m just hoping I don’t go too crazy with booze as I might play monster stack next day at wsop and would like to be feeling ok for it (I’m worried bc I tend to go hard in uncomfortable settings with booze).
Hit me up- I tend to go to davidoff cigar bar across from Wynn to smoke cigars after poker tournies. Always looking to meet people to talk with ha.
Bottle service with friends is one of the best things to do in vegas imo
Bro your posts are hilarious. What do you think cuddle means? It means ****.
Bottle service at pool you’re gonna get sunburned and dehydrated. Watch out for heat stroke.
Sounds Gucci
I don’t think you’re remotely concerned about her feelings. I’m not saying you should be, but trying to convince me that you are would be pointless words.
Bottle service with friends is one of the best things to do in vegas imo
Bro your posts are hilarious. What do you think cuddle means? It means ****.
Bottle service at pool you’re gonna get sunburned and dehydrated. Watch out for heat stroke.
Sounds Gucci
I’ve never done bottle service + I’ll be with a group that actually has the money that can spend it (my ny friends would never do bottle service). I hate to say it but I went to Wynn pool party with a girl last summer and bottle service is prolly clutch if don’t want to wait in line even though spending insane amount of money. Hopefully I make day 2 on Friday and can take Sunday off bc I’m taking Saturday off 100%.
Yea I know cuddle means **** haha. Normally a girl won’t decline an invite to hang after though. I feel one has to be careful with vegas chicks. If anyone here wants to go out let me know. I’m thinking of going to Frankie Rizardo mid week when I’m there June 6-19. I’m sure I can pull without dating apps if I just go to club and don’t drink a ton. I’ve done fairly well in vegas going out alone. Feel chicks just want to let loose in vegas and if I dress well + look good I’ll do well.
I’ve never done bottle service + I’ll be with a group that actually has the money that can spend it (my ny friends would never do bottle service). I hate to say it but I went to Wynn pool party with a girl last summer and bottle service is prolly clutch if don’t want to wait in line even though spending insane amount of money. Hopefully I make day 2 on Friday and can take Sunday off bc I’m taking Saturday off 100%.
Yea I know cuddle means **** haha. Normally a girl won
going to a pub or club solo and trying to pick up is actually a challenging thing to do unless you're some pure salesman, punter type
- it gets lonely, dispiriting and emotionally tiring really quick
- it's very difficult not to give off creepy vibes
- having fun with a group of guys is a far far far more attractive thing for women to see than the lone wolf spending all his time trying to pick up
also though...surely a pool party with bottle service is not the thing to take a girl to on a date. seems like the opposite. tons of guys there trying to pick up, not at all intimate, very difficult to escalate things
like, I'm not the guy to spend $$ on women anyway, but if you do want to throw big $$ at a girl, do it in a more intimate and controllable setting
Bottle service with friends is one of the best things to do in vegas imo
Bro your posts are hilarious. What do you think cuddle means? It means ****.
Bottle service at pool you’re gonna get sunburned and dehydrated. Watch out for heat stroke.
Sounds Gucci
You sir are the MVP of the last 500~ posts of this thread. I salute thee.
Date one: drinks. $90. I can tell she likes me and wants to kiss so I go ahead and kiss her. Wild success. I don’t recommend kissing girls on first date but I could tell she wanted it
Date two (next day) : I text her and ask her if she wants cuddles tonight. She says yes. I come over at 9:30 and leave at 12:30
It was dope ❤️
Date one: drinks. $90. I can tell she likes me and wants to kiss so I go ahead and kiss her. Wild success. I don’t recommend kissing girls on first date but I could tell she wanted it
Date two (next day) : I text her and ask her if she wants cuddles tonight. She says yes. I come over at 9:30 and leave at 12:30
It was dope ����❤️
Interesting. I think the first date kiss question is a good topic of discussion. I've seen several women say they don't want it, an equal number say there won't be a 2nd date without a kiss on the first date, and yet another group that say it depends on the chemistry but is a must by date 2.
Obviously this applies more to someone looking for something long-term, because if you're just looking to hookup I would think going for a kiss sooner would give you an idea if that is going to be in the cards or not.
Doesn’t work that way
Women want what they can’t have. And if you’re sexual before they are ready, you turn them off
The proper adjustment is to leave all sex stuff out of the first date. This usually ensures you get laid as quickly as possible.
Most dates of mine I get laid 2nd or 3rd date, and it’s cause I don’t try to kiss them and then I tease them until they ask me to **** them
Like last night we make out, I rub my dick on her pussy as we are kissing and she starts moaning. So I know she wants to ****
I eat her pussy (which was gorgeous) and I make her feel good for like ten minutes
She asks me if I have a condom. I tell her
a) we aren’t having sex lmao
B) I got tested last week
I start fingering her and she’s soooo wet. I know she wants it.
So I tell her I’m not going to initiate sex with her but if she wants, she can hop on
It takes her a few minutes and then she’s thrusting her hips onto mine.
I ask her if she wants it. She says will you think less of me? I said I want it more than you do
****ed her one, good, for a bit. Finished, took a nap, then ****ed her again but my nut felt way better
GG tinder
PS after we made out a bit in my car the first date I took a risk and asked for a booty pic. This is when you can tell if they wanna **** you or not. Booty pic? You’re getting laid. Some flirty response like you’ll see it soon enough? Perfect
But if you ask and they aren’t about it then you know you’re prob not getting laid with this one
Jesus wept
Had date 2 with cute azn girl. She looked so good on our date- wore like a little top and skirt with boots. I was nervous on date and she pointed that out. Told me I should see a therapist bc I’m good looking and have my career and life together in other ways. She came back to my place and we made out- i thought I could get her to do more but nope didn’t happen. Have a 3rd dinner date planned for a nice steakhouse- lol jk is a sucker.
Feel writing is on the wall. I think if I slam dunk 3rd date I have a shot but yea I get nervous and not the best w/ conversation so I expect the worst. She’s down to hike and play pickleball with me and said we should do that for a date also.
What’re you nervous about?
Dont try to get laid or kiss or do any of that . It’s ****ing you up
Your end girl should be a girl that likes you and gives you raw pussy whenever you want it. For that to happen they have to want you. For them to want you, we gotta be confident.
You can do it. Just takes a couple reps and you’ll be fine. Alcohol and weed are your friends here. Get professional tinder pics asap and then go on dates with girls that aren’t as good looking as you. Go get reps in man.
A girl who says you need to see a therapist seems like a girl who
1. Doesn’t want you.
2. And thus doesn’t want to **** you.