** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread **

Wow, these games - at least the site I play on - have really become limp fests, especially on the button. I keep cracking big hands with junk they let me sneak in with. You would think they would learn…

So far April has been the worst. Generally card dead mixed with huge counterfeits, coolers and non stop bad beats.

For the month I am running negative EV with AA, KK, and QQ. I’ve gotten KK or QQ in vs AA 4x pre, and have had gotten KK in on the flop vs AA 3x. And, I haven’t won a single pot with AA when I’ve seen flop. In The latest one dude limped, I raised 3x with AA and he called with 10-6 off. Dude flopped a 6, called a 60% pot bet, then jammed turn when he hit 2 pair. And, on top of that, I’m also running below EV with those same hands.

Somehow I’ve managed to run slightly positive EV for April despite this though, of course, I am still 20,000 chips below EV and that is still dropping. Very frustrating.

This is just 1 game/example of the non-stop **** show.

2 limpers, I have A10o in BB and jam for 20bb. BTN fold, SB calls with K5s and flops a King and a flush draw before river the flush.

Down to 6bb, I jam KQo same villain calls with Q2. We flop trip queens. River double pairs board and we split pot.

6bb jam AKo from SB and BB calls with J10…he rivers a straight

Good god, crap just continues. 10x multiplier villain takes out other opponent so it’s like 50bb to 25bb. I manage to get ahead down to about 15bb

I get KK and raise to 2.2bb. Villain jams and I call…he shows A5o.

Flop comes out 3 4 6

Turn 7

River 5

Next hand, I jam 55 and villain calls with AA beats me. Next hand i get bad beat and I’m out.

not clicking that but i can guess what it is

psa guys
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/profi...

I saw someone post a Cev graph from GG spins. Is there a tracking program that works on gg or way to download your hands?

Hand2note. Need to dl your hands from pokercraft first.

Thanks yeah i found the pokercraft this morning.

April has been an absolute grind. About 500 games running basically 0 CEV. Things turned over the last 200ish games with CEV up to about 80 over that span...but chips won over that time is actually negative. I'm now running 30,000 chips below EV.

Honestly, the run bad in EV for 500 games bothers me more than running below EV.

Keep waiting for it to improve but it never does. Now sitting at 40,000 chips below EV.

Honestly the room you choose isn't that big of a consideration when you're playing anything below $5 IMO, even if there are some regs at $1 or $2 they will be very bad, best is just to see what the rb% you can achieve is, the format (GG format has 15bb starts for example so winrate is much more capped in that way), check the rake also. I'd guess pokerstars or partypoker maybe best options, at this stage you should be studying a bunch with an aim to move up ASAP

If you want to play reg speeds then stars. If you don't mind playing flashes then gg or party. I would go gg because the traffic is high and plenty of recs at the smaller stakes.

I made some calculations with the results in that image.
You can win like 10 times the amount of money if you have the average winrate of 5 dollar normal spins, compared to playing turbo spins. I even considered that the player playing turbo spins could play double the amount of spins, and even then normal spins have 10x the profitability.
My results are much better in turbo spins, which means I have a lot to learn and study.

I don't think you have calculated that how much rb makes you playing turbos that I assume you mean flashes? I think that pic is atleast a few years old you can use this https://www.resulthub.org/spin-result to check out the avg results. Fwiw saying you can make 10x the ammount playing regs compared to flashes is not even remotely accurate.

I’ve played medium micro up through medium stakes on both Stars and Party. Aesthetically Stars is always better and there are more players on stars so more games running. I switched to Party however because I like their take back system better.

Getting hard to stay motivated to play. Running a CEV of about 60 over 3100 games and am currently running over 43,000 chips below EV. I have been running below EV consistently over the last 2000 tournaments, and it just keeps getting worse and worse - over the last 630 tournaments I ran a CEV of about 60 (38,000 chips) but only won about 2000 chips over that time. I really have to start looking for a pool...

Hi guys, two situations that I have doubt.
x10 prize, first and second are ITM.

3players 10bb
SB move all-in, bb have 44, call or fold?

3 players 15bb
SB mini raise QKo, bb move all-in, call or fold?

both very easy calls, first situation you can call any pp, second even KTo

If this is a limit where villains are generally making good decisions then I am ok with calling on both.

If this a limit where villains are not really trying to win at poker I fold 1st hand make my decision on second based upon how aggressive opponent is.

Does anyone know the approximate rakeback for the highest tier platinum on gg? What;s the PVI penalty for spins?

Without any aff deals probably something like 70-80. And the pvi is 0.1 for most of the regs.

As other dude said these are easy calls. The only "exception" I might make is if I am playing a super tight player who is not jamming anything but Ax and pp butt here are few and easy to spot...the ones who below 10bb fold to any jam unless they have AJ+

Well, I've been back to playing regularly for a year and things have gone well money wise and ev wise, but not in chips won. For the year I am running ~60 CEV in $10 spins but am running ~80 wins below EV. Over the year I have had 1 month (November) where I ran above EV for a whopping 1,300 chips above EV. In every other month I have come no where near winning at EV. This month has been absolutely horrible. I am currently running 13,000 chips below EV and have had 7 massive losing streaks over 600 tournaments, and my CEV which has been averaging between 70 and 80 for most of the year has dropped to 50.

I feel like my EV is being pulled down by my horrific luck. I mean, so often I am losing so many flips early in tournaments that I never really get a chance to build EV. Like today I open jammed 44 in the SB for 400 chips and lost to the BB who called with 5-8o. So from that I got an EV of about 38 chips but am out of the game and can't win anymore. It happens so often, evident by how badly I am running below EV.

This is the Christmas present spins has given me!

Mate you don't even run that bad. From gg spins at worst I was close to 700 bins under.

Based on my flimsy math it seems that you are running about 10% below EV whereas I am running 20% below EV...

Honestly, running below EV doesn't bother me that much. It only really bothers me in that I have run below EV in every single format of poker I have played. What bothers me, as I said in the last post, is that I constantly lose big flips. Liken when I'm on the BB with 20bb effective, button raises, I jam and get called by Q-10, KJ, QJ etc. hands where I am slightly good. I lose these, am out and do not get the opportunity to boost up my CEV.