1/3 live cash game JJ in 3-bet 4 way pot
Live 9 handed 1/3 no limit hold'em home game (no rake). Very splashy table with heavy drinking and people verbally announcing they are playing "go fish"
Hero is tight, and has only VPIP'd twice in the previous 25 hands (game just started ~1 hour ago).
Hero has 250, which is the effective stack in this hand.
Straddle on for 10, UTG+1 raises to 25, UTG+2 calls (Both UTG+1 and UTG+2 have a VPIP of around 70% and play fit or fold post flop -> seems like your standard calling stations)
Hero in MP has JJ, and raises to 75
Drunk lady in LP cold calls (she's VPIP'ing around 90% of hands, and going to showdown like 80% of hands)
UTG+1 and UTG+2 both call
Flop A 8 4 rainbow (Pot: 300)
UTG+1 and UTG+2 check, what should hero do? Important to note here: I've seen both of them donk lead ace-high flops before.
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Please don't include results, even in a spoiler. People can't resist checking and then it colors their responses. I'm answering without clicking on the spoiler and will then delete it if it includes results (including hero's last action).
Given game description, I raise bigger pre. Make it $100, which may look FOS to the gambloors.
AP, the only bet size possible is a shove, and at least one of them called pre with an Ace and isn't folding it. Annoying flop, but this is a check and hope to see a free turn and hit your two outer.
Edit: Now that I've seen the read about the first Vs donk leading Ace-high flops before, I am less convinced that someone has an ace. Now a shove might be OK, though it depends on just how terrible drunk lady is.
I would just ship it preflop with this dead money / stacks / looseness of opponents / number of possible craptastic flops.
As played, with only about a 1/2 PSB left, against these jokers and their super wide ranges, and no one yet indicating the have an Ace, I probably just sigh ship to protect against random overs / horrible runouts.
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Yeah, just jam it in pre. Add the $64 in dead money to stack, and move on to the next one.
As played, I think I might just check and see what happens. If the flop checks through, we might be good enough to jam turn on a brick. If drunk lady fires and gets called, I'm out.
Did the lady VPIP 90% including 3bets?
When they donked out on ace high flops, did they have an ace?
You would have to raise to 100 pre, which is almost half our stack. I don't think there's anything wrong with either calling or jamming either, but that's just me of course.
Whether or not I jam the flop would depend on what their 3bet calling ranges are, and how many times (if ever) I've seen them call a 3bet pre. So it's a toss between jamming or check/folding for me based on the above (because they both just called a 3bet I would lean towards c/f'ing. They're not betting w/o an ace, and they should know we could be slow playing aces after 3betting from MP).
Please don't include results, even in a spoiler. People can't resist checking and then it colors their responses. I'm answering without clicking on the spoiler and will then delete it if it includes results (including hero's last action).
Given game description, I raise bigger pre. Make it $100, which may look FOS to the gambloors.
AP, the only bet size possible is a shove, and at least one of them called pre with an Ace and isn't folding it. Annoying flop, but this is a check and hope to see
Sounds good, I won't include results in future posts, thanks for letting me know!
I would just ship it preflop with this dead money / stacks / looseness of opponents / number of possible craptastic flops.
As played, with only about a 1/2 PSB left, against these jokers and their super wide ranges, and no one yet indicating the have an Ace, I probably just sigh ship to protect against random overs / horrible runouts.
GcluelessNLnoobG
Makes sense, that was similar to my logic. If UTG+1 or UTG+2 lead into me on the flop, I just fold, otherwise if it's checked to me, I'll jam for value and hope the drunk lady calls me, since I'm beating most of the hands she's calling me with.
Did the lady VPIP 90% including 3bets?
When they donked out on ace high flops, did they have an ace?
You would have to raise to 100 pre, which is almost half our stack. I don't think there's anything wrong with either calling or jamming either, but that's just me of course.
Whether or not I jam the flop would depend on what their 3bet calling ranges are, and how many times (if ever) I've seen them call a 3bet pre. So it's a toss between jamming or check/folding for me based on the above (because
The drunk lady was cold calling 3-bets with around a 50% frequency, so not the 90% VPIP there.
Yes, the 2 people that called my 3-bet (UTG and UTG+1) both had an ace when they donked earlier in the game.
I agree, I think the best play would probably be to check fold the flop as played, or just jam pre flop, which I think is the best play.
The drunk lady was cold calling 3-bets with around a 50% frequency, so not the 90% VPIP there.
Yes, the 2 people that called my 3-bet (UTG and UTG+1) both had an ace when they donked earlier in the game.
I agree, I think the best play would probably be to check fold the flop as played, or just jam pre flop, which I think is the best play.
Ok in order to make the correct decision all these lil tid bits of information can make a bid difference.
I actually saw the results because the first thing I did was clicked on it, but I don't even remember what happened.
Yes, the 2 people that called my 3-bet (UTG and UTG+1) both had an ace when they donked earlier in the game.
I'm not gonna nit pick or anything and ask if they did it in 3bet pots, but when we're in a 3bet pot, most people (for the most part) play str8 up. I would def jam if I was h/u vs the lady but idk about the other guy. I still might c/f, but that's just me it's just my style.
If they're all drunk and calling a lot, how about a Jam Pre?
For added effect, you can goad them and say "go fish"
As played, I get that you've seen them donk A high, but we're up against 3 people here,. I think I check and hope to hit my 2 outer.
In a game like this I'd be playing with the biggest stack I could.
Standard 3bet size is normally 3x plus 1 raise size for each caller, so 4x here. But in this wild game I'd be going a good bit bigger than that ie 120-140+. That makes no sense with your small stack, so the only realistic size is to jam.
You're not getting an Ace to fold and your info that nobody has an Ace is pretty weak. Then you need to hope that people call off with gutshots or 99 multiway on an Ace-high board in a 3bet pot, which might well happen in this game but the situation still isn't great. You had the right idea:npump money in while you're ahead. Now the situation has changed and you have a weak hand. Check-fold.
If they're all drunk and calling a lot, how about a Jam Pre?
For added effect, you can goad them and say "go fish"
As played, I get that you've seen them donk A high, but we're up against 3 people here,. I think I check and hope to hit my 2 outer.
Yep, I like jam pre the most now, lots of dead money!
In a game like this I'd be playing with the biggest stack I could.
Standard 3bet size is normally 3x plus 1 raise size for each caller, so 4x here. But in this wild game I'd be going a good bit bigger than that ie 120-140+. That makes no sense with your small stack, so the only realistic size is to jam.
You're not getting an Ace to fold and your info that nobody has an Ace is pretty weak. Then you need to hope that people call off with gutshots or 99 multiway on an Ace-high board in a 3bet pot, wh
It's uncapped buy-in, lots of people were buying in for $1500 a couple hours into the session, unfortunately, my bankroll is only $5,000 right now, so hard to buy in for that much
Ok in order to make the correct decision all these lil tid bits of information can make a bid difference.
I actually saw the results because the first thing I did was clicked on it, but I don't even remember what happened.
I'm not gonna nit pick or anything and ask if they did it in 3bet pots, but when we're in a 3bet pot, most people (for the most part) play str8 up. I would def jam if I was h/u vs the lady but idk about the other guy. I still might c/f, but that's just me it's just my style.
Good observation, they were not 3-bet pots when they donk lead on Ace high boards
with $250 i think its ship or fold pre vs this action.
boring af i know.
Ship pre -- let them fish.
As played, just shove and pray.
