The "LOLCANADA" thread...again
So what's new?
I've noticed the Liberals are now ahead in all major polls and Trudeau hasn't even started to campaign yet...i'd be shocked if they lost the election now.
Just shows just how incompetent Conservatives are.
Watching the front bench with Vassy and talking about the seat in the provincial by election that went 80% conservative. The liberal premier campaigning and says every hand he shook he had to say I don’t work for Trudeau
The consensus on the panel is CDNs are sick of Trudeau and the liberals only hope is Mark Carney as the new leader
Interesting story. Going to get into the weeds here. The carbon tax has always been two things. There is the consumer one which is what we debate here endlessly. And there is the industrial one. The industrial one actually has the larger effect, and Poilievre has evasively refused to say whether his crusade against the consumer tax might actually still leave the industrial one in tact. I have some small hope that some of the real gains from the trudeau comprehensive suite of policies remain into the future even if the consumer carbon tax is removed.
Anyways, in the narrative on the carbon tax everyone cites the big PBO report. It was the one that noted direct and indirect fiscal costs of consumer carbon tax help 80% of families, but then that if one considered reduced incomes from economic effects that this more than erases those benefits for the majority. Each side quotes the part they like. The economic analysis was always in the "apples to nothing" comparison where it only looked at harms and compared that not to any other environmental policies but to do one where canada does nothing,, so that context should always be stated.
Now it turns out that comparison conflated two things. The costs come in big part not form the consumer carbon tax everyone is debating, but the industrial one. So if you want to rip up everything, that is useful. But if you are arguing against the consumer carbon tax, it isn't helpful at all. They are totally separate policies. This was not well publisized that this conflation occured - I didn't know about it for instance - but now the liberals are calling on the PBO to make this clearer than they did in their April 17th note. A new update is expected in the fall. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pbo-cor...
At this point basically any time someone is going on about the costs of the carbon task, just note that there should be multiple different asterisks calling for context behind that statement.
Watching the front bench with Vassy and talking about the seat in the provincial by election that went 80% conservative. The liberal premier campaigning and says every hand he shook he had to say I don’t work for Trudeau
The consensus on the panel is CDNs are sick of Trudeau and the liberals only hope is Mark Carney as the new leader
I’ve been saying it the last 4 years kinda .
Interesting story. Going to get into the weeds here. The carbon tax has always been two things. There is the consumer one which is what we debate here endlessly. And there is the industrial one. The industrial one actually has the larger effect, and Poilievre has evasively refused to say whether his crusade against the consumer tax might actually still leave the industrial one in tact. I have some small hope that some of the real gains from the trudeau comprehensive suite of policies remain into
I can't find your asterisk?
Yes it is but even a third grader knows that 80% of CDNs get more back than they pay is Trudeau Bullshxt
Based on what this time ?
Did you already forgot the 300+ economist saying it was not bs but actually true ?
https://ecofiscal.ca/2024/03/26/open-let...
In short, carbon pricing is the least-cost way to reduce emissions, drive green innovation, and support Canada’s transition to a clean and prosperous economic future.
Yes it is but even a third grader knows that 80% of CDNs get more back than they pay is Trudeau Bullshxt
Well it’s a quote from the non-partisan PBO. There is zero reason not to believe the data provided by the PBO of the fiscal impact beyond pure conspiratorial head-in-sand BS. Which I guess explains your position.
Well it’s a quote from the non-partisan PBO. There is zero reason not to believe the data provided by the PBO of the fiscal impact beyond pure conspiratorial head-in-sand BS. Which I guess explains your position.
Yes but the PBO says when you factor everything in than its not true. The reality is that statement needs an asterisk as well as the statement that 80% of CDN's get more back than they pay .
The reason being at best I can find that is based on a family of 4 owning one vehicle and driving 15,000 kms a year
As for the statement that the carbon tax has little to no effect on pricing is BS as well
The framer that grows the food pays a carbon tax on Natural gas and propane which they use top heat their barns and dry crops. Sadly they have no way to pass on those costs as prices are determined by the market. Though the trucker that ships the farmers product passes on the cost of the carbon tax as does the retailer that pays the carbon tax
My guess is Pierre keeps the industrial part and scraps the retail part of the carbon tax
Did you read my post at all? I explained all of this to you already. Stop ripping off campaign slogans from poilievre and do your own thinking.
Can you maybe bold the part of my post that you think is a "Trudeau lie"?
Interesting story. Going to get into the weeds here. The carbon tax has always been two things. There is the consumer one which is what we debate here endlessly. And there is the industrial one. The industrial one actually has the larger effect, and Poilievre has evasively refused to say whether his crusade against the consumer tax might actually still leave the industrial one in tact. I have some small hope that some of the real gains from the trudeau comprehensive suite of policies remain into
Buddy, the extreme degree of your partisanship makes you just unable to have even basic conversations, let alone nuanced ones.
It's pretty crazy that Poilievre's #1 priority, his biggest campaign plank, and we don't know even basic details about it. Isn't it just insane that you have people (like you) chanting #AxTheTax without even knowing what exactly is on the chopping block?
Regardless, I have a question. Do YOU think he should keep the industrial part?
Yes but the PBO says when you factor everything in than its not true. The reality is that statement needs an asterisk as well as the statement that 80% of CDN's get more back than they pay .
The reason being at best I can find that is based on a family of 4 owning one vehicle and driving 15,000 kms a year
As for the statement that the carbon tax has little to no effect on pricing is BS as well
The framer that grows the food pays a carbon tax on Natural gas and propane which they use top heat their
yes, surely all phd economist i listed up there forgot about your points up here when they wrote their letter.
They surely didnt take into account all variables to make that general statement....
And the POB piece u showed to us been debunked many times where it clearly didnt say so...
Anyway when someone just wont believe experts in the field, when its not 1 experts that can say about everything but hundreds prominent experts vs 1 or 2 sources badly interpreted , there isnt much else more to do.
So keep believing about anything u like and rejecting everything u dislike shrug....
It's pretty crazy that Poilievre's #1 priority, his biggest campaign plank, and we don't know even basic details about it. Isn't it just insane that you have people (like you) chanting #AxTheTax without even knowing what exactly is on the chopping block?
Regardless, I have a question. Do YOU think he should keep the industrial part?
Me personally no
yes, surely all phd economist i listed up there forgot about your points up here when they wrote their letter.
They surely didnt take into account all variables to make that general statement....
And the POB piece u showed to us been debunked many times where it clearly didnt say so...
Anyway when someone just wont believe experts in the field, when its not 1 experts that can say about everything but hundreds prominent experts vs 1 or 2 sources badly interpreted , there isnt much else more to do.
So
Please tell me how they calculate what the average homeowners carbon tax is than to you or Uke . It has to be based on some average ?? I am sure all those liberal economists could tell us
If you do not have that number than all you can do is make an assumption that benefits a policy many CDN's consider a lie
Me personally no
Please tell me how they calculate what the average homeowners carbon tax is than to you or Uke . It has to be based on some average ?? I am sure all those liberal economists could tell us
If you do not have that number than all you can do is make an assumption that benefits a policy many CDN's consider a lie
ho i see, so now all the prominents economist in canada are liberals ( and even those from alberta) , it just not possible polievre talk horse$h!t.
and yet all economists are certainly not leftish when they speak about other stuff about the economy.
how strange ...
ho i see, so now all the prominents economist in canada are liberals ( and even those from alberta) , it just not possible polievre talk horse$h!t.
and yet all economists are certainly not leftish when they speak about other stuff about the economy.
how strange ...
Correct me if I am wrong but the economists do not say that 80% of the folks get more back than they pay they say that the carbon tax is the best way to tackle climate change . Those are two different assumptions .
Lozen was parroting Poilievre’s stupid pretend motivation was just about his pension. This stemmed from the election bill that delayed things by a week to avoid a major religious holiday, totally reasonable, but it didn’t stop the conspiracy theories ITT.
Well now the NDP is directly calling to cancel this pension but, putting the lie to the conspiracy: https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ndp-want...
What was the conspiracy?
Correct me if I am wrong but the economists do not say that 80% of the folks get more back than they pay they say that the carbon tax is the best way to tackle climate change . Those are two different assumptions .
Huh…yes they do !
Just freakin read what we post for a change …..
All your arguments about inflation, ineffective tax results on gaz emissions, false rebates, etc are debunked and signed by them !
No summer trips this year, that is unless your conservative and want the planet to burn. What a bunch of WACKO's!
i remember those long ride car,
i hated it .
regardless if it would be inside an electric car i would hated it the same.
train is more fun imo.
It is indeed really shameful that conservatives are trying to rip up Canada's commitments to fight climate change, and then pathetically try to frame their inaction in a "think about the kids" way.
