Amanda Knox....Innocent American on trial in Italy or cold-blooded murderer?
There is a lot of speculation about whenther Amanda Knox is innocent or guilty. She is on trial for her life and the conclusion of the trial is near. What do you think the vedict will be? Do you think she is truly innocent or guilty, why or why not?
Amanda Knox calunnia/criminal slander conviction upheld by Italian court
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/05/europ...
Amanda Knox calunnia/criminal slander conviction upheld by Italian courthttps://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/05/europ...
Get a life loser
thankfully she's out of jail and no longer affected by whack jobs like you
Cry harder bro 😆
Ha, no crying here as this is much ado about nothing considering she's already served time for the slander and she'll never change the mind of losers like you
Most importantly, she's free forever and that'll keep you eternally bathing in your own tears due to your psychotic obsession with her, time to find a new hobby amigo!
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...
another slight update in the last months even tho this was months ago
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...
another slight update in the last months even tho this was months ago
It's mind-blowing and unjust that this animal has been released.
As to Knox, she's doing TV documentaries, sometimes with some bad individuals. Making plenty of money I'm sure.
Joe Rogan had a chance to clear so many things up in his interview with her, but he knew f-all about the case. But, he did ask her about how she felt when she found out when Meredith was murdered and she couldn't give a straight answer, and started talking about being "confused".
Ha, no crying here as this is much ado about nothing considering she's already served time for the slander and she'll never change the mind of losers like you
Most importantly, she's free forever and that'll keep you eternally bathing in your own tears due to your psychotic obsession with her, time to find a new hobby amigo!
Guess what bro? Your little darling's slander conviction has been finalised, meaning she's no legal recourse left and she'll now always be a criminal felon.
Guess what bro? Your little darling's slander conviction has been finalised, meaning she's no legal recourse left and she'll now always be a criminal felon.
But that's not true. The ECHR committee of ministers have the final word in this case, not the Italian judiciary. Italy as the respondent state has to use the reconviction of slander as the foundation of their action plan or action report for the approval of the committee of ministers. They will decide if all the human rights violations have been resolved as far as possible. It's not over until the fat lady sings as they say.
But that's not true. The ECHR committee of ministers have the final word in this case, not the Italian judiciary. Italy as the respondent state has to use the reconviction of slander as the foundation of their action plan or action report for the approval of the committee of ministers. They will decide if all the human rights violations have been resolved as far as possible.
Seems it kinda has been closed though and settled
Guess what bro? Your little darling's slander conviction has been finalised, meaning she's no legal recourse left and she'll now always be a criminal felon.
But that's not true. The ECHR committee of ministers have the final word in this case, not the Italian judiciary. Italy as the respondent state has to use the reconviction of slander as the foundation of their action plan
My god you actually stalk me from another forum? Jesus wept. It very much is true and as has been explained to you about seven million times previously the ECHR is a rights court. It can't change the verdicts of nation courts. But cling to your delusions all you like.
Corpus, its been 1.5 decades now, what was the two biggest evidence that really pushed you toward more on the guilty sided than non
My god you actually stalk me from another forum Jesus wept. It very much is true and as has been explained to you about seven million times previously the ECHR is a rights court. It can't change the verdicts of nation courts. But cling to your delusions all you like.
Stalked! On a public forum, are you serious!? You sound paranoid! I don't see your comments on other forums, so you must have blocked me. I NEVER block anyone. You are correct in stating that the ECHR cannot interfere with an internal decision made by the Italian Supreme Court. But the current proceedings are ongoing to resolve human rights abuses, which the ECHR committee of ministers is overseeing. Italy still has to comply with the 2019 ECHR judgement. The current status from the database is:
"Bilateral contacts are ongoing to obtain the submission of an action plan or report. The authorities submitted a preliminary communication on 10 January 2020, informing on the payment of just satisfaction and of the dissemination of the judgment."
In other words, Italy has still to submit its action plan/report to the committee of ministers for their consideration, and I don't see them doing that in a hurry. If the ECHR accept the reconviction as an acceptable resolution to the human rights abuses, then it's curtains for Amanda; only THEN can you pop the champagne. I'd be surprised if the committee of ministers sign off on this, since IMO, there are multiple reasons why the human rights violations have NOT been resolved by the reconviction of calunnia.
It certainly doesn't mean that Amanda will be a "felon for the rest of her life" as suggested. It's not over yet, not by a long way. Cling to your delusions all you like.
https://hudoc.exec.coe.int/eng#{%22execidentifier%22:[%22004-52517%22]}
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UybuIA5...
Stalked! On a public forum, are you serious!? You sound paranoid! I don't see your comments on other forums, so you must have blocked me. I NEVER block anyone. You are correct in stating that the ECHR cannot interfere with an internal decision made by the Italian Supreme Court. But the current proceedings are ongoing to resolve human rights abuses, which the ECHR committe
Yes, stalked. We've had umpteen previous discussions on reddit, where I ended up blocking you due to your persistent dishonesty, making it impossible for debate to progress as it was bogged down by constant corrections to your persistent false claims. You're one of the most dishonest of all of Knox's groupies, and the competition is fierce. You now suddenly respond to me, out of the thousands of posts on this thread, on a years old thread where literally everything has been covered already, from a new account a couple of days old. So yeah you're stalking me and wrt this thread, you're several tears late to the party and after I correct you yet again I'll be sticking you on ignore here also.
The Italian judiciary doesn't have the authority to overturn an ECHR judgement. Apparently, CV thinks it has.
I never said they did, this is either reading comprehension issues on your part, or most likely yet more dishonesty from you. I'm very correctly and accurately stating that the ECHR cannot overturn the verdict of national courts, it's purely a rights court and guess what- this has also been covered on this huge ass thread with the ECHR homepage being linked where they state from the start that they can't overturn the verdict of the national courts. Ergo Knox's calunnia conviction still stands and will continue to stand.
Knox can in theory file a second case to the ECHR but it will be extremely difficult as yet again the calunnia conviction is finalised by Italy's highest court. Knox already has already brought the interrogation aspect to the ECHR. To revisit the substance of the slander conviction (i.e., whether it was fair overall), she’d have to prove new violations of her constitutional rights under a different article, such as 6.2, presumption of innocence, which she already had via her new trial, which Italy fairly granted her already and still upheld her conviction last January.
However, the ECHR is not a fourth instance court. It doesn’t retry facts—it only looks at whether procedural or rights violations occurred.
Unless Knox is granted a judicial review or reopening of the case in Italy based on new legal grounds (which is extremely rare), or unless Italy voluntarily quashes the conviction due to the ECHR findings (extremely unlikely), the slander conviction will remain part of her permanent record in Italy, and continue to be upheld under Italian law. And even if they did quash it voluntarily, this would be due to the ECHR ruling rights violations so it certainly wouldn't equate to exoneration.
And the ECHR ruling is flawed anyway as it relied on Hellman who was annulled by Chieffi, but it never assessed Chieffi's reasoning.
By citing Hellmann’s assessment—in other words, the very reasoning that was later legally discredited—without acknowledging or critically engaging it, the ECHR misplaced its evidentiary reliance, leaning on judicial findings that no longer carried legal force. It also created tension with the principle of legal certainty, since national courts had subsequently examined and rejected that characterization and furthermore potentially weakened the coherence of its judgment, as it appeared to depend on a decision that was no longer valid in Italy.
But you knew all of this already and yet here you are still with your patented gaslighting schtick.
Now I've said all I have to say to you and am only posting this for the benefit of others reading. I'm sticking you on ignore now and do feel free to have the last word as I won't be reading your dishonest burblings, 'bye now.
Corpus, its been 1.5 decades now, what was the two biggest evidence that really pushed you toward more on the guilty sided than non
It was more the totality of the evidence but one of the main things was the mixed dna in Filomena Romanelli's room, where the staged burglary occurred- this very strongly indicates Meredith's killer tracked traces into the room, when staging the burglary to make it look like a burglary gone wrong, and those mixed traces are Meredith Kercher and Amanda Knox. Only other explanation is that Meredith's dna somehow flew from her bedroom , down the hall and somehow landed precisely where Knox's dna already was and that's simply impossible. Add the dna on the knife, changing alibis and accounts, luminol footprints, Knox's lies and detailed knowledge of the murder, later supported by the autopsy- in purely evidence terms it's actually pretty open and shut.
For a more detailed breakdown I recommend you read Henry's megapost
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/34/ot...
And a breakdown of the evidence here
https://web.archive.org/web/202110111942...
https://web.archive.org/web/202110311953...
Anyway this thread should have died ages ago, everything has been covered and is pretty much done and dusted.
Cheers.
Yes, stalked. We've had umpteen previous discussions on reddit, where I ended up blocking you due to your persistent dishonesty, making it impossible for debate to progress as it was bogged down by constant corrections to your persistent false claims. You're one of the most dishonest of all of Knox's groupies, and the competition is fierce. You now suddenly respond to me, out o
Sorry about the delay in getting back to you, work and all that.
I came across this forum by chance as a result of an AI search, I didn't follow you here. There have been pro-guilters on Reddit that haven't blocked me, such as Truth & Taxes and even TKondaks. Both have stood their ground and gave as good as they got at least in terms of responses, forcing me to do further research and reinforce my knowledge base, so kudos to them for that at least. Blocking people has the reverse effect and results in epic levels of siege mentality with no willingness to push boundaries. That's the fear-driven territory you seem to be occupying at the moment.
You said, "She's no legal recourse left and she'll now always be a criminal felon." which is not true since the ECHR still offers very favourable avenues of appeal. Italy does not have the last say in the matter. The bottom line is that Italy, as the respondent state, must offer a solution acceptable to the ECHR committee of ministers that resolves the human rights abuses and restores "restitutio ad integrum" as far as possible. It may take many more months or even years for Italy to arrive at a solution but the ECHR judgment is binding and Italy must comply with it. The C.O.M. would have to sign off on the reconviction of the calunnia as a resolution to the case. I'd be astonished if they did, since the memoriale is still tainted with the previous and ongoing human rights violations.
The problem you have with your references to H/Z and Chieffi, is that Italy appealed the 2019 ECHR judgment shortly after its release. The appeal was abruptly dismissed, so yours is simply a prolix waste of keystrokes. I get the impression that you think that somehow the might of the Italian state and judiciary is going to prevail in this case by turning a retraction into an accusation with totally skewed reasoning. The ECHR judgment is emphatic and legally binding. Amanda is currently and actively pursuing this issue and will continue to do so. There's no way out of it for Italy in the long run. That's a fact that you are going to have to get used to.
Put me on "ignore" if it makes you feel better, but you know deep down that it's just another way of capitulating.
When they found Amanda's prints on the gun it was pretty much over.
It was more the totality of the evidence but one of the main things was the mixed dna in Filomena Romanelli's room, where the staged burglary occurred- this very strongly indicates Meredith's killer tracked traces into the room, when staging the burglary to make it look like a burglary gone wrong, and those mixed traces are Meredith Kercher and Amanda Knox. Only other explanati
When you realised that there weren't two that were remotely sustainable, you threw in a whole bunch of equally unsustainable evidence that M/B has thrown out anyway. "Detailed knowledge of the murder, later supported by the autopsy"! WTF was that?
I read this thread when it was on going live, i think henrys post was great, i think some things were off like saying the witness only trying heroin "once" and that being nobig deal and claiming the witnesses were credible when they weren't. Also calling guede "a stand up citizen" when that wasnt the case.
I thkn his mega post is great up uintil the witnesses where most of it is actually blatently 90% false which was weird for the rest being solid,
it sucks this wasnt a proper case to pick upfacts and things were laid out as 1 to b as I think there is enough to go to court but not sure about conviction in US courts
I read this thread when it was on going live, i think henrys post was great, i think some things were off like saying the witness only trying heroin "once" and that being nobig deal and claiming the witnesses were credible when they weren't. Also calling guede "a stand up citizen" when that wasnt the case.I thkn his mega post is great up uintil the witnesses where most of it is
Lots have been convicted in US courts on far less evidence than Knox. In the US she'd still be in prison after her 2009 trial conviction. She was very dubiously acquitted by a court which used farcial reasoning and made flat out false claims. But think what you like, it's over years now anyway and I've no further interest in continuing this discussion, so feel free to have the last word.
