SC flops bottom two...bad slowplay?
1/3 NLHE 9 handed.
V - Older asian man vpips about 90% of hands. Sitting on a deep stack when I came over about 1.2k and has been bleeding down. Just calling a lot but also bets out. Bet QTo on a K-J-7-brick-brick board for three streets into a guy that called down with a naked J. He's basically clueless. Bets a lot when checked to and keeps his foot on the gas pedal but for small sizing, as in the same absolute sizing over multiple streets. Slows down when a better possible hand comes in like an A on a K-T-7 flop where he has KJ. Check raised me OTR when I had KTs, he limps QJo pre OOP and we went HU to a board A-T-9-X-K, checked down, I bet river for value and called his small x/raise. Covers. LJ.
H - Has winning LAG image and table wants to run me down. CO. 361$ Eff. stack.
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One limp in EP, V opens LJ to 15, H calls CO with 4♦ 5♦, BTN lp calls, limper calls, 4 ways 3rd to act.
Flop 60 - 7♠ 5♠ 4♣
EP checks, V bets 25, I contemplate a raise but just call when I get the vibe button is folding, BTN folds, EP folds. HU.
Turn 110 - 3♥
V bets 50, H calls
River 210 - K♦
V bets 100, H goes AI for 271 total.
14 Replies
Fold preflop! Might flat call flop, but because bottom 2 pair is not that strong on this board, not to slow play.
We're just barely deep enough to call wirh our low SC pre. Think I'd prefer to play 3B or fold here, with this hand, against this specific V, and hope to fold out the BTN.
AP, I'd raise flop. This guy doesn't sound like he likes folding, and we have a good LAG image to get max value. We didn't call with 54s pre to play a small pot when we flop 2P on this wet board. We could have a ton of bluffs here, and he shouldn't have connected with this flop very often.
AP, I think we need to raise turn, when he bets less than 1/2 pot, and there's four to a straight plus the FDFD on board. He'll be shutting down on a lot of rivers.
The river jam seems fine, but I think we're losing value by not building the pot earlier. If he was on a draw and bluffing, he's just folding to our jam. He might even find a fold with KX.
Don't call pre. Probably don't 3! either, but definitely don't call.
Gotta iso the flop. It's good fundamentals, and I don't know why you're slow playing here in particular. Your reads say he bets small on later streets and he slows down when the board gets worse for him, and most turns that are good for you are bad for him.
I appreciate your gumption on the river against this sorta player, but it's too thin. He has a TON of 6x, less than a ton of Kx/7x, and you're in bad shape against all other hands. Probably closer to a fold than a shove, but I don't think I find a fold here either :/
Are we bluffing? What better hands bet fold? Or are we value betting targetting what, aces that never slowed down? River is a train wreck.
Fold pre, but otherwise fine. We should be ahead here the whole way, and we don't want to lose him. However, with your "LAG" image (I'm not seeing that in HH or this hand, but whatever), you can raise the flop and he should gii with you.
I'm weighting things away from those hands when he takes this line, especially with these sizings given the reads, but a clueless person shows up with weird showdown hands in all sorts of ways. He's probably not playing any two hands the same, so you have to take those sizing tells with a grain of salt unless it's a whale you play with on the regular.
No way this guy's folding a set, though.
Agree with Docvail overall but of course this V is fully capable of showing up with Ks3s, Ks6s or some bs like that.
1/3 is all about thin value and I suppose if we're not getting coolered enough here on the river we're not being aggro enough.
I think preflop is meh (first caller so in horrible position to the field postflop, poor RIO multiway, etc.).
With bottom two on this flop and at a non-short SPR multiway I'm fine with just calling and seeing what happens.
Against this spazztard who can bet air I also call the turn.
And I probably just call the river. Although against morans with our laggy image a shove probably isn't horrible (unless when called our first reaction is "you're good").
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This guy limps QJ, so I doubt he's raising w/ K3.
Fold pre, but otherwise fine. We should be ahead here the whole way, and we don't want to lose him. However, with your "LAG" image (I'm not seeing that in HH or this hand, but whatever), you can raise the flop and he should gii with you.
By LAG image I mean in their eyes. The only player raising or betting at all hardly. Everyone else is limp calling.
Fold pre for sure (this shallow esp.)
I don't think he calls anything we beat otr. Just call, and multiway I'm probably raising the flop.
