The "LOLCANADA" thread...again

How was the liberals and Trudeau's day today? Any more scandals? Hopefully people remember he's saving the planet come election day.

Actually the new controversy is the fact the liberals provided the PBO with data on the carbon tax but instructed him he could not make it public

Must not be good for them

Wow crazy, I never heard about that. I am looking forward to seeing them release the names of MP's that have been conspiring with foreign actors though.

Yeah that one is nuts also but Pierre been a little quiet on that one . Wonder if there is a conservative on that list . We know it will be full of liberals

Here is the story on the liberals hiding the truth on the carbon tax

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/...

Lmao the conservative attempts to make up controversies never end. No govefnment - Harper’s, Trudeau’s, future poilievres - releases their own internal economic analysis with any sort of regularity. Quite correctly, our system lets the neutral PBO be the one to do the analysis. Imagine lozen’s outrage reading anything released by Trudeau. Is poilievre committing to always release internal analysis of every policy of theirs??? Of course not.

The problem here is the PBO made a glaring error in the report that the conservatives have been citing. While the part that most Canadians are better off from the fiscal impacts is correct, the economic impact parts is not. The report always was a bad applies to nothing comparison, but this makes it even worse.

Rehashing old news that do not confirm any of your claim since then …..

NO the PBO has stated that he has a report/data on the carbon tax that he was told he can not release. Wasn't Justin the PM that kept promising transparency ???

No the PBO made an error that he says will have minimal impact on the outcome which states most CDN's will be worse off because of the carbon tax

Lets ignore the thing about Liberals refusing to release the data of who conspired with foreign actors

There are of course 0% chance that lozen would ever - ever - believe any reports released by Trudeau. That's why we have a non-partisan PBO so that they release the public reports we can all trust. Now if Poilievre was committing right now to always release every bit of internal data on every topic in some transparency bid that would be interesting. But of course he won't.

Unfortunately the PBO made a significant error in what was already a very poor apples-to-nothing report.

Of course it should be up to the RCMP and other services to decide the information that can safely and confidently be released to the public, not Trudeau.

Hard to believe you have a sitting government willing to cover up collusion with a foreign government by its own MPs ?
The amount of corruption under Justin Trudeau is mind boggling

Release the list and anyone on it should resign. Oh wait Justin doesn’t want to resign

Lol. "collusion". It is amazing the level of conspiracy theories you get to. Foreign government interfering in conservative nomination races is bad - conservatives have TERRIBLE and easy to infiltrate nomination procedures - but imagining that this is Trudeau "colluding" is hilariously inept, even for you.

Its funny how folks like Uke expect CDN's to blindly trust Trudeau on the carbon tax

So the PBO says it cost more than we get back when you factor everything in

This opinion piece says it well Prove it you have the data

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstori...

I love Christa when asked about the report on the carbon tax her reply is Abortion . I guess that is all they have left

1 opinion vs 300+ economist for carbon tax .
I wonder who to choose

Lol lozen just was screeching insane conspiracy theories about "collusion" with foreign government. Without missing a beat he is suggesting he would care about an internal report produced about carbon tax from Trudeau? Of course not. He doesn't even believe it when the non-partisan PBO does an analysis. This is precisely why we have non-partisan offices in the first place to do this analysis, because hyper-hyper-partisans like lozen who will never believe a word their nemesis releases can hopefully be at least partially swayed by non-partisan data.

First off you wouldn’t understand the math the way u talk about the economy .
Second if u think 300 phd are dumb enough to not take into consideration what u babbling about well I don’t know what to tell u .
Thirdly u accept rhetoric opinions pieces as gospel truth with no math evidences at all .

Finally what are u basing your view it’s not just possible u are actually wrong about the tax carbon ?
You are suspicion about vaccine despite medical expert .
You are suspicious about climate changes despite scientist .
You are suspicious about carbon tax despite qualified economist .
What expertise you have to oppose all of them if not by pure wishful thinking it isn’t real ?
Do you feel the world is that much against you with devilish plans ?
You don’t see a trend here how so easily u get suspicious and discard every science and expert u dislike ?

We aren’t even taking about the judicial system , politics and others stuff on top of that .

Ps: accusing all those eminent economist as liberals is another political stun by you .
Btw what u imply about being liberal ?
Vast amount of economist are right leaning and vast amount of students coming out from those schools are monetarist and right leaning on the economy front .
So I don’t know what liberal as anything to do with that ….

This as been debunked many times and it’s old news .
And it was like after 2030 …

But it’s typical .
U always comeback to old stuff that was rejected hopeful people forgot .

Lol, sure sounds like you trust it!

Pretty amusing watching you try to ignore that you said Trudeau "colluded" with foreign governments. Oops. That's a big egg on face. I guess in your internal partisan calculus ignoring that you said it is somehow less humiliating than fessing up that you massively overstepped in your rhetoric?

The Trudeau government's record on the economy is really atrocious. Going by World Bank figures :

GDP PPP per capita, 2011, 54,918
GDP PPP per capita, 2022, 54,916

It's like we lost a decade of economic growth. About the only aspect of the Canadian economy that is growing is the federal government. And now that everyone is working from home, these public sector guys don't even have to come into the office to pretend to work.

Current debt service charges are $56 billion. About 14% of total revenues. Coincidentally that is about the size of the deficit as well.

Of course all this deficit spending has its consequences. Inflation is posing severe challenges for ordinary Canadians. According to CBC, rents have increased 10% between 2023 and 2024. The average rental is now $2200. Food increased between 5%-7% in 2023, peaking as high as 10% at one point. For a country that should be the bread basket of the world, it's pretty shocking that basic staple goods are becoming increasingly unaffordable. On the plus side, maybe the "Trudeau diet" will finally lick our obesity problem.

Meanwhile, the Federal government spent 33 billion on a pipeline that they don't know what to do with. Kinder Morgan was all set to foot the bill, but our byzantine approval process and incessant kowtowing to the enviro fascist lobby, coupled with a spineless supreme court ruling put an end to that. But its ok, Santa Trudeau has an endless bag of cash to give out. At one point they discovered a hummingbird nest in some trees they cut down, and apparently that meant they had to stop production at a cost of one hundred million dollars. I actually don't blame Trudeau for stepping in, I think it was the right decision given what happened, otherwise you would have a chilling effect on foreign investment if they thought Canada was like some banana republic where you have approval one day and then the next they are shutting down your project, but its ridiculous it got to that stage in the first place. The federal government has no business building pipelines. I wouldn't trust them to build a tobacco pipe. Kinder Morgan was ready to do it, to shoulder the cost, take the risk, but radical leftists love to sabotage any sort of economic progress in this country and we have been coddling them for too long.

Canada has had the highest GDP growth in the g7 or the last few years. The per capita number is flatter because of tonnes of immigration. And Canada has consistently had second lowest inflation (behind the rather fringe case of Japan). This isn't to say there isn't economic challenges - housing is really bad for instance - but simply pointing to the worst statistics you can and saying lol Trudeau isn't really an argument for anything.

gdp per captita is what really matters.... Who cares if the gdp grows if your personal gdp is going down. You cant bring in immigrants at a rate which makes you poorer

High immigration of low skill labour usually also increases inequality. As in, your "personal gdp" may go UP despite flat per capita growth because low income people are added to the denominator. This is just to point out that these things are quite complicated and single statistics aren't be all and end all.

And the worst part is the constant gas lighting from the Liberal party about our present debt crisis. They like to frame it in terms of "net debt", which means writing off the CPP as well as all the value of crown corporations against it. That's the net part. The problem is, we're not paying interest on net debt. If you look at gross debt to GDP, we're in worse shape than we were during our 90s sovereign debt crisis. So unless the Liberals plan on raiding the CPP fund or privatizing VIA Rail et. al this is a fundamentally dishonest way of looking at it. They also like to compare Canada and our federal debt situation to that of unitary states that do not incur debt at the sub-sovereign level. Make no mistake about it, we are in a fiscal crisis, and instead of making the serious reforms necessary to tackle the deficit the Liberals are introducing massive new spending obligations like universal pharmacare. This is the height of insanity.

Nah , no private investment wanted to take over that pipeline at the time .

Ps: why you start 2011 when Trudeau take over around 2016 ?
Ah I see :
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY....
Bs narrative to hide under Harper it went from 52 back down to around 42k when Trudeau took over ….
So in reality under trudeau it start around 42-43k to 54k today despite a huge world wide health crisis that cost huge amount of $ throughout the world .

Not that bad when u don’t twist the data .

Yeah he should campaign on the great economy and how great everyone is doing

Sure, the economy is in great shape. We've got persistently high unemployment. Full time jobs are being replaced by part time jobs. There are hundreds, even thousands of applicants for every new entry level job. We've got some of the highest taxes in the OECD and a regulatory regime run amok, is it any wonder that companies are reluctant to invest here unless they are given billions of dollars in subsides? Meanwhile consumer savings has been nose diving since the 80s, which is another reason why our economic growth has been so anemic. And now that interest rates are being cut again, I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up with stagflation.