WSOP Online Bracelet Hand Review
Hey all, gotta interesting one here..
$600 Online Bracelet Event: 8 handed: ~50bbs ESS. I’m one of two larger stacks with 80bbs. Still a few hours left in late registration.
MP RFI 2bb, CO & BTN flat, hero in SB flats w/6d6c, BB flat.
Flop(11bb) KsJs6h: checks around
Turn(11bb) KsJs6hJh: checks to BTN who pots. BTN is passive player, limp calling almost entire range preflop, and using large RFI sizing (4bbs) with premiums. To me this reads as Jx. Hero calls, everyone folds.
River(33bb): KsJs6hJhQd: hero checks, villain all in for 30.5bb. My original plan was to open jam the river on any low card, hoping to get called by Jx. I’m not worried about being balanced against this type of player, and I think, given his passive nature, he’d check back a lot of Jx combos on the river. I think any paint card is what I don’t want to see, as it competes higher boat combos.
I’m not putting V on KJ, as I think he would’ve bet the flop given the wet texture while in position. I also feel like he would’ve bet his flush draws on the flop, so I ruled those out. At this point I’m hoping that villain is just value owning themselves with a Jx combo, ya? I’m not able to put them on many bluffs, especially when semi bluffs like A10 and 109 got there and would be checking back for showdown value. Curious what y’all think of my thought process and line here.
Cheers.
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Did you consider leading flop? Having it check through is kind of a disaster for you. Sure, it would be nice to get a check raise in...
On the turn...why didn't we check raise? Can get value from Jx while the getting is good, and we don't want to rely on a passive player making our value bets for us on blank rivers.
As played, this seems like a gross spot, but a fold. Bottom boat on these 4 broadway card hands in a 5 way pot just isn't as strong as we'd like it to be.
Did you consider leading flop? Having it check through is kind of a disaster for you. Sure, it would be nice to get a check raise in...
I didn't consider it, because I felt the board texture highly favored the villains? I feel like my SB call range is {medium & low pairs, AXs, suited broadways, and some suited connectors }. I don't really have nut or range advantage on this board, so leading doesn't make sense to me. And being multi-way i thought i'd get an opportunity to check raise. Leading into four opponents in this formation looks really strong. Though, I can see leading small with my sets, 2 pair, and flush draws maybe? Or are we sizing large here?
On the turn...why didn't we check raise? Can get value from Jx while the getting is good, and we don't want to rely on a passive player making our value bets for us on blank rivers.
Let me know if you think this is fancy play syndrome, but I didn't want to fold out any potential flush and straight draws others who are behind me may have, and i felt my call was going to give these combos odds to continue, blowing up the pot. i'm happy with these combos hitting their draws and potentially getting value on the river by jamming. Adding to this, my plan was to jam river on any low card, thinking i could get a call from Jx; this c/cc/jam line seems over bluffed to me, so that's what i was going for.
Being that it was a passive player, did you consider they could be overplaying KQ for rivered two pair counterfeiting a Kx hand. Sounds silly but if they are that passive I would consider that line as being something dumb like that if they aren't considering pocket 6s being in your range or some Jx
We just don't really have many leads here multi-way on flop, so I think check is fine. Turn I'd lean towards click check-raise against this villain type who is never folding a jack. As played on river we beat them into the pot and almost always beat a J, and if they have a better boat then so be it.
We just don't really have many leads here multi-way on flop, so I think check is fine. Turn I'd lean towards click check-raise against this villain type who is never folding a jack. As played on river we beat them into the pot and almost always beat a J, and if they have a better boat then so be it.
Hmm...
Well, we may not have many leads...but this is a good hand to lead with...we unblock all kinds of hands that will call or raise, have a very strong hand that can value from a host of hands, and a lot of equity to clean up. We even unblock 6x of spades.
As to the river, well, a naked jack might be jamming here, but hoping to be called by what? I guess AJ can hope for JT, but that is such a narrow 1 combo, only JTs. I get that folding a Full House sucks, but if ever there was a time, this seems like it.
Hmm...
Well, we may not have many leads...but this is a good hand to lead with...we unblock all kinds of hands that will call or raise, have a very strong hand that can value from a host of hands, and a lot of equity to clean up. We even unblock 6x of spades.
As to the river, well, a naked jack might be jamming here, but hoping to be called by what? I guess AJ can hope for JT, but that is such a narrow 1 combo, only JTs. I get that folding a Full House sucks, but if ever there was a time, this
SPR is too small to ever consider folding a full house here, and villain Jx should jam here a decent amount.
Given the description of villain I think you can also discount KJ because he didn't bet the flop. So I think you're worrying about QJ exclusively, not enough to get me to fold when AJ and JT are possibilities (and I don't really necessarily think AT and T9, if he ever takes this turn line with those, are checking back the river either).
I likely call river jam because we will still have 30 blinds if Villain does have QJ. Also there are other Jx hands Villain can have like AJ/JT/J9s/J8s/J7s. Villain could also have Kx hands that he checked back on the flop to not get c/r'd and to see how people played the turn.
The ultimate question is could Villain's bet on the turn be a bluff? Since its been checked through twice it could be a spot where a bet with basically any hand could succeed. The description of villain may not cover his bluffing capabilities. As Nath points out AT/T9 got there and would go for it since nobody else bet on any street.
On the turn I would lead out about 1/3 to 1/2 pot. All draws will call and we could get a raise from a Jx hand. Otherwise it could check through again. Also we could be bluffing as the flop checked through.
As played I get why you didn't raise the turn and it makes sense. Also if a K or J hits the river it will save chips.
Even if this is never a bluff you beat value and only lose to 6 combos of KJ and QJ. Snap call
you have 40% equity against a range of KJ, QJ, and AJ. Goes up to 65% when you add JT, J9s, and some AT combos. Maybe villain could also have some slowplayed QQ or JJ but still hard to imagine you not winning over half the time... and you only need to win 33%.
Why would JTs not think its good on the river when the flop checks thru and 1 person check/calls his turn bet, much less a rivered straight.
Posting before I read down; vs full pot on turn I’m just calling and then snapping any river that doesn’t double pair the board obv.
Don’t like turn check, as played I do like the smooth call and river check.
So he’s passive but w/e he never full pots made boats on turn unless he’s passive AND just awful. He still has heaps of worse value and a bunch of bluffs too imho.
Easy fist pump call.
thanks for the feedback all!
I ended up calling convincing myself there weren't that many value combos i lose to, and i also would be left with a decent stack in the event of a cooler.
Villain turned over QJ for the boat. GGs
