Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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wait why do you think that, Tunisia is already better than 1930 Italy or Spain. Morocco as well. Egypt is perhaps 20-30 years behind
Mostly because of religion controlling the states. I don't trust Tunisia or Morocco either, but they're closer to Europe and have hundreds of years of trade with them.
I expect to see Egypt attack Israel again before I die.
No clue. Maybe they are that way, but decide that behaving in a manner that continues to get them money and support is more in their interest than the "from the river to the sea" stuff. I don't think anyone knows. It's just that this is the best solution when compared to the next solution which Luciom just cast his vote for.
to add a few off the top of my head, eta is completely gone, the ira are finished, virtually every one of those terrorist communist struggles in latin america has been reduced to a few blokes hanging out in the jungle, and, not that i would advocate the actual genocide which took place in grozny, but a couple of decades on the chechens are now fighting the russians' wars for them
This post is completely clueless.
The IRA is a very good case for my side of the argument, and a self-own for you. The combination of being successfully infiltrated by UK agents and public bombing atrocities wore down its effectiveness and its support, and drew it to the negotiating table resulting in the GFA and power sharing.
ETA grew out of opposition to Franco's fascism and Castilian centralised rule. Again, killing atrocities eventually weakened support among the Basque public and the political wings of the group fragmented.
in that case, what specifically is it about the middle east which makes their terrorist organisations indestructible?
I do not know much about the Basque separatists in particular. But if I were to guess, I would guess that Palestinian ties to their land and sovereignty are a far bigger motivator than whatever motivator inspired the Basque separatists.
Palestine has a huge pool to choose from for recruitment. I've said it several times: the currency that terrorist organizations recruit with is violence. IDF has given Hamas (or their successor) a huge recruiting pool to choose from, in an already very large pool.
And ofc fewer Tamils as a % of Tamil population left Sri Lanka than palestinians left gaza +WB, so it can't be that which completly terminated terror.
What proportion of Gazans have left?
My wishes, as always, are about eradicating terror against our countries and our allies, as the utmost moral imperative.
I am willing to do anything to achieve that, and i never claimed anything to the contrary.
Yes, that's what I said - you would stop at nothing.
I do not know much about the Basque separatists in particular. But if I were to guess, I would guess that Palestinian ties to their land and sovereignty are a far bigger motivator than whatever motivator inspired the Basque separatists.
Palestine has a huge pool to choose from for recruitment. I've said it several times: the currency that terrorist organizations recruit with is violence. IDF has given Hamas (or their successor) a huge recruiting pool to choose from, in an already very large pool.
Basque separatists also had the problem of their population being divided by a national border and being ruled by different governments.
They had and still have a very strong case for a separate national state imo.
No clue. Maybe they are that way, but decide that behaving in a manner that continues to get them money and support is more in their interest than the "from the river to the sea" stuff. I don't think anyone knows. It's just that this is the best solution when compared to the next solution which Luciom just cast his vote for.
They've been getting money and support from the west for many years, and it didn't stop the attacks, and the attacks didn't stop the support.
I really think it's time for the west to stop their support of anyone in the region and let the chips fall where they may. Our aid and intervention isn't helping anyone in the long term.
Support Israelis by letting them immigrate (as BOIDS and others have suggested) and let those who decide to stay take care of themselves.
Basque separatists also had the problem of their population being divided by a national border and being ruled by different governments.
They had and still have a very strong case for a separate national state imo.
I still don't understand if you consider ethnostates a good or a bad thing then
leaving aside whether hamas really do have an effectively infinite supply of people willing to die for them - manpower doesn't get you there alone
for example, there are not less than a hundred million people on this earth who would love nothing more than to kill large numbers of americans, and a few of them would even sacrifice their own lives to do it.. but they cant do **** all about it
can you envisage an outcome where hamas or its replacement would love to perform oct 7 2.0, but cant?
There will be far greater pressure put on Gaza than was happening prior to October 7. The manner in which aid is be given has to change.
Israelis of course should be free to leave if they want, but I think it would be a shame if Israel becomes a country where only extremists want to live.
I don't agree with the idea of nations in principle but if they're going to exist then the Basques and Tamils should have their own.
I would much prefer to get rid of every single border though.
Also, I've written this many times before and it's becoming tiresome.
USA is fortunate that all of its major enemies are very far away. This is not the case for Israel.
My 90% estimate was adult residents of Gaza who have expressed intentions to harm Israel. Now they haven't expressed them to me, so I don't have an accurate count, but I imagine a vast majority of them have expressed those intentions to other Gazans. Certainly by now, if not previously. It would take a saint not to do that.
My 90% estimate was adult residents of Gaza who have expressed intentions to harm Israel. Now they haven't expressed them to me, so I don't have an accurate count, but I imagine a vast majority of them have expressed those intentions to other Gazans. Certainly by now, if not previously. It would take a saint not to do that.
@Luciom, still disagree?
