T9s flops thick but whacko line

Why are we raising preflop?

Postflop looks ok provided you call river.

Fold pre against described raiser.

Call river.

Calling off over 10% of effective stacks w/ T9s against the l/rr range you give as AA/KK/AK is losing you a lot of money.

What is V1's limping range here? Does he limp-call some small pps/SCs and l/rr AA/KK/AK?

What's your question here? Flop/turn are good. Anything other than calling the river would be very bad. Given the read you provided, V1 has AA/KK a lot, and yeah V2 has a random Q fairly often, but also has random other stuff easily often enough for you to call.

Preflop raise is bad given reads, have to call small 3!.

Folding this River getting 7:1 against two button-clickers seems really really bad.

Based off Villain strong limping premiums regularly, I don't understand why you ISO raised pre with a weak hand.

As others have stated, that is a stunning display of incompetence Preflop. You know better.

The most interesting thing in the OP is that I didn't know GG was Asian...

Preflop is why I lol @ people who lol @ my LRR strategy preflop. I mean, every time I limp in I just assume red flags are going up everywhere. But, nope, makes no difference, because there always some guy who's just itchin' to raise T high.

I overlimp preflop, especially with LRR guy in the hand. We're not even getting setmining odds facing the LRR at his stack size, let alone attempts to bink with this hand. LRR dude is just printing against everyone here getting in hugenormous 1/5 of stacks preflop.

I'm fine with flop and turn.

I think the river is likely a shove ourselves the first time around, no? We're ahead of LRR given how he's played it. Some draws came in that drooler could pay off with. As played obviously not folding and I'm guessing jamming for the rest of it is best? ETA: I'm assuming the river question is regarding jamming versus calling, not calling versus folding.

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I was in the call bucket, but when GG is suggesting the more agressive line, everyone here should pay attention.

Although (total transparency) whether I actually can do what I preach in this spot for this $$$ at the table is iffy.

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Lol, yeah river lead jam gets value. I’m inclined to the think described player bluffs wider than he calls here, but if he’s only gonna bluff 1/5p then we might be better off doing the betting for him.

Preflop thoughts -

1. If I flop big OMC is paying me off, like a 9-9-3 board I will get his whole stack.
2. Drooler is 100% calling behind once I call the 64$.
3. OMC's range is hyper-condensed to the point of being face up and that makes it a lot easier to play against and gauge my equity. He has QQ+ and AK exclusively with a whiff of AQs and JJ. Drooler has almost ATC.
4. It was 5 handed so I felt T9s isn't so bad.
5. Postflop OMC is very trappy and passive. He will check his entire range unless it comes something innocuous like 9-3-2 and he has KK or AA in which case he'll lead out big and I can just fold. If its something 6-7-7tt he'll check down all his overpairs and AK. So I often get to at least the turn for the 64$ if not the river.
6. If it checks to drooler and he bets which he often does with nothing, I have the best relative position as I'll see what OMC does, if I flop middle pair like K-T-3r and drooler bets and OMC folds I can safely call and play to showdown and be ahead most of the time.

Postflop thoughts -

1. Boom smash play for stacks
2. Oh crap another Q plus OMC loves to trap and has AQ all day, just check it down
3. Who knows what drooler is betting on this river but for this price I call...

Overall I thought I played it really bad.

Result:

Preflop, you have to call 39 more 3-way versus face up LRR and drooler. However, initial raise is really bad. It is like a bull charging at a flag, if someone limps some people will raise with whatever regardless of reads. You are probably behind the limpers limp/calling range, never mind when he 3-bets.

Come on banana stop isoing someone playing GG’s preflop strat. Just overlimp, make a straight and bust him.

I call river

GG poker site? What's GG's preflop strat?

GG (gobbledygeek) doesn’t raise preflop except late position and limp raises a lot.

People have preflop pretty mixed up. You should not be calling off 1/10th of your remaining stack against a range that crushes you because maybe you’ll flop 2p+ against someone who might not even pay you off. AK/KK+ isn’t even that imbalanced of a range. Playing against QQ+/AK is a pretty classic guessing game.

The fact that button’s gonna make it much harder to realize equity (or perhaps even see the flop in the first place) is taxing our EV pretty heavy too.

The way to exploit the fact that his range is “face-up” is to way overfold here.

If a Villain keeps trying to trap you, just exploit him by not falling into his traps.

It doesn't seem sexy, but overlimping T9s preflop is exploiting the Villain.

BTW, it's a pretty big disaster that the OP is willing to gamble preflop on the hopes of out playing Villain postflop...

And then OP doesn't get max value against a big overpair when he flops trips versus the limp reraiser Villain.

I would call the 3! as played because of the small sizing. You are getting really good immediate pot odds.

Raise is fine pre and Closer to standard vs limping in. Only bad in the sense if he’s only limping a dominating range and it’s a straddled pot and he’s in the blinds. Awfully Mubsy to not raise.

Raising is in general a little better than limping behind in this situation, but limping behind is much better with reads and history.

Raising T9s here is significantly better than overlimping in general, so the read is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

I think this is another one of those situations where the reads are based on a very broad term that means different things to different people. So villain is an “OMC” who’s trappy with their premiums, but he’s not necessarily nutted at the point that he completes his big blind against a straddle. I see “OMCs” all the time who call the extra $3 here but think a green chip is too rich for their blood. And when they do come along for the ride, they’re just set mining or doing some other fit-or-fold strategy.

You guys are really big fans of doing the STANDARD thing.

This Villain is very abnormal. He is very far from a typical Villain.

We have a lot of notes on his extreme tendencies. Against the vast majority of live Villains, ISOing T9 suited over their limp is solid strategy. But it's a bad strategy against THIS PARTICULAR VILLAIN.

Sometimes, it feels like you guys just want to do the standard thing. If you want to max exploit Villains in live poker for the maximum profit, then you have to keep your eye out for making extreme exploits when the situations call for extreme exploits.

Let's make it clear. Why are we raising Villain's limp? Are we ISO-raising over his limp for value? What worse hands are limp-calling us? Are we ISO-raising over his limp for bluff? What better hands are folding out to our raise?

I would like to hear a good thought process for why we are doing this supposedly "standard profitable thing."