1-1 - Bottom set facing a flop 3bet
1/1 in Europe.
V - Solid, not very creative from what I've seen. Maybe slightly winning.
H - Seen as winning but this particular session I've been raising more than usual due to frequent spots that called for it. Image maybe a little splashier because of this. I am to V's immediate left and I've raised a couple of his cbets and he's folded, and I 3bet a few orbits prior and took it down on a broadway-ish flop with a smallish cbet.
Folds to V on BTN who makes it 4. I call from SB with 22. Effective stacks are 210.
Flop: As - Jd - 2s so two spades. Pot is 9.
I check. He bets 6 into 9. I raise to 22. He thinks for a good while before making it 64. 145-ish behind effective.
Do we just get it in here? Or does that fold out hands that we crush and fold out potential 'I'm taking a stand' bluffs?
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This is the best hand to ship here. Whether villain can play perfectly by putting you on this hand (plus maybe some monster combo draws) is a matter of how you’re playing the rest of your range. That’s where the real interesting discussion lie.
Given the game flow and the fact it’s 1/1, it hopefully shouldn’t matter here.
Best hand because I unblock his calling range?
I find that people tend to raise bigger if they have combo draws - if not fully jam because they want to make sure they fully realise their equity and don't want to brick the turn with not much left behind.
fold pre. call now just in case he is bluffing.
Yes, 2p and other sets all block top pair and/or top two or even pair+FD. We’re at the top of our absolute range anyway so it’s kind of a redundant point.
I skimmed sizings on first read, but going back I have thoughts:
Preflop: his size is large enough you CAN just play 3! or fold. Whether you actually do that is dependent on how bad/passive BB is.
Flop: your raise size is quite large here (over 3/4p when his own bet was quite big). In theory this really isn’t a spot that you want to be going in a nuts vs nuts war because your range is on the losing end of that. Most of your range is raising here for thinner value/equity denial, bluffs and to distribute your draws and marginal defending hands so you don’t get bowled over by barrels. It’s harder to raise this size with hands like TPNK and random broadway gutshots and the like.
Of course you’re actually armed with the nuts so it can’t be bad to do it with a dirty image, BUT just imagine the spew you’ll face when you just put $10 on top with your dirty image. You’re gonna find people’s egos between them and the fold button when you make it look like you’re getting out of line and trying to take pots from them cheaply.
I don’t really have thoughts on villains 3! size. It’s a little more than 3/4p and 3x minus two bbs, which both seem like normal ways for a LLSNL player to arrive at a raise size. Maybe you have a tell I don’t, wouldn’t be the first time.
Shoving would be slightly more than PSR, so it’s really our only option we should consider.
PRE - flat call seems fine. Don't think we want to 3B this hand, against this V, with our aggro image.
FLOP - interesting spot. Think I'd have preferred to donk lead for 2/3 pot here.
With our image, V probably doesn't think we're getting here with AA, JJ, or AJs. When we check raise, it looks like we have A2s or 22 for value, plus maybe some AJo that we didn't 3B pre, which is repping pretty thin. Maybe we take this line with KJss. Not really sure how many bluffs we'd have here. We're pretty face up.
If he's fairly ABC, not creative, it's doubtful he's 3B'ing the nut flush draw or worse than top 2. His line is basically repping AA, JJ, or AJ. He's also pretty face up.
I don't like folding bottom set when he has more combos of AJ than AA / JJ. I think if we jam, there's a non-zero percent chance he folds AJ, and we're always getting called by AA/JJ.
If we flat call his 3B, he might think we were getting out of line with KJss or some weaker AX. He might bet less than 2/3 pot on a brick, to keep us in the hand. I think we just want to get to showdown here, in the hopes he has AJ or worse. I don't think we want to get stacks in on the flop or turn.
