$1-3 Hand: Flopped Top Set, Turn Put A Four Flush On Board

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Why would you flat pf especially with that rake. I couldn't keep reading after that.

Saw the blinds were going to fold and thought I had a good read on his play.

Might be a good topic for a different post?

Buy Theory of Poker. Go to the section that explains how larger bets and raises are higher EV than smaller bets and raises that are called by V at a higher frequency.

Google Formula for Expected Value. Now plug in some numbers. See how low the bar is for a 3! to have a higher EV?

It is a mortal sin to fail to extract maximum value with the Preflop Nuts. Also you are failing to give V the opportunity to provide you with information. If he folds to 3! at a high frequency (Google Break Even Percent), then you can print money by widening your 3! range vs this V

I guess it would help to know the exact same preflop scenario happened an hour earlier, except he got a caller. I made it 30, they both called. Flop J83 with two hearts, check check I bet 25, he calls other guy folds, turn 5h check-50-call, river 3 check-50-call, he had QQ.

Bet every street bigger

30 flop, 150 turn, 600 river, now we’re talkin

This is a small town casino, weekend recreational game. Nobody close to a pro. Maybe a handful of fairly serious amateurs. In four visits over six weeks I haven’t played with the same guy twice; I’ve maybe seen 6-7 guys in the room twice.

That is some good preflop advice, I’ve noticed a couple big winners doing it.

Now what should I do on the turn?

No chance he calls 150 on the turn, and we had about 3-400 at start of hand lol. You understand this is small town 1-3, right?

If the population in your game is really overfolding as much as you suggest, you should be bluffing a lot, probably way more than you are.

People are focusing on the preflop mistake because it's a really fundamental error (and you don't give a good justification for the flat either). Think about how the size of the pot grows geometrically from street to street- bigger bets preflop make it easier to get the money in postflop.

You want to be putting more money in the pot when you have the best of it, and you know you have the best of it preflop. Your hand improves on the flop- you no longer have the nuts, but your hand is doing very well against villain's range, and you have a redraw the times you're behind. So, raise the flop. Plenty of worse hands with the bare K♠ and worse will call a raise here.

Check back the turn as played.

Then push them around

Check turn as played. No reason to bluff or value bet. Hope the board pairs.

$4+$2 with a $200 high hand bonus every hour with just two tables going makes this the best rake in the history of forever, no?

Gnothatin',justsayin'G

My guess is that if you play on a little bit more regular basis that you'll know the name of ~every single player in about 2 months.

GcluelesssmalltowncasinonoobG

Unimproved, I would not value bet the river and it depends whether to call the river. You are beaten by any one card flush, so you don't have much at all unless the board pairs, in which case you have close to the nuts.

Thanks all, esp Brian & GG. Obviously, with under 40 hours (sober) $1-3 live experience IÂ’ve got a ton to learn (and unlearn from loose passive LHE/O8 games), and prefop aggression and bet/raise sizing are going to the top of the list. IÂ’ll try to be succinct.

I flatted preflop because I knew it would be headup on the button with this guy. Still donÂ’t hate it, wonÂ’t do it often, but might even do it with KK some time.

I just called the flop planning to raise big any non-spade on the turn.

When he checked the turn i knew he didnÂ’t have a spade, and put him on AQ or maybe QQ.

And then the rails came off. I bet 30 for reasons to dumb to mention and he folded AhJh faceup and said “I wish that had been the Js”. Then I moronically show my hand and a guy says I should have checked and drawn for the HH.

Obviously a terrible play and overall poorly played hand. I shouldÂ’ve raised to 50 preflop, bet 50-100 on the flop and collected the pot. But I learned more this way.

Whether or not you 3! AK/JJ/QQ or 3! bluff, you should almost always 3! AA/KK in a low stakes game. The only reason to flat is at higher stakes or in tournaments to hope someone else 3!s and usually backraise. People at low stakes will usually call the 3! and continue with top pair.

That people are not raising premium hands in limit games just indicates they are playing those badly. Would be awful not to raise or 3! AA in limit holdem, particularly on the button.

The problem with betting turn is, as you found out, it is hard to get called by worse. He had one of the best worse hands he could have and folded.

From a results-oriented point of view, you would have won a much bigger pot if you 3! and cbet.

Deuce, I can assure you if he had a spade heÂ’d bet it, and QQ but not AQ. And headup with only 350 no way IÂ’m folding a set of aces.

Not being able to fold a set on a 4-flush board at some point is also a leak. You don't want to fold on the turn though, with a redraw to the nuts or close, unless you are facing some huge bet.

Some low stakes players lose huge value playing for the high hand. You high hand equity for making quads was probably worth $5-10. If aces full would be good for now and often hold up, then there could be significant value in seeing the river to hit aces full.