A9s OOP vs aggro kid

A9s OOP vs aggro kid

1/3 NLHE 6 handed

V - aggro kid that drives action, just sat down a few hands ago and 3-bet bluffed OOP as PFR on a 664tt with AJo. I think to cultivate a bluffy image. Usually plays 5/10 and PLO. Money at this level is nothing to him. Comes up with some crazy lines. Bought in for 200 and is up to 300. 300$ BTN.

Side V - unknown LP that went on a massive heater to over 3k. CO. Covers.

H has about 550$ from HJ.

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UTG folds, H opens A 9 to 10, side V calls CO, V 3! to 35, I call, side V folds.

Flop 80 - J 6 3

H checks, V bets 45, H calls

Turn 170 - 8

H checks, V bets 45, H calls

River 260 (175ish back) - 3

Hero?

13 June 2024 at 09:29 AM
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Fold pre. If we're going to have a flatting range at all, we can start to talk at ATs.

I raise the turn when he slows down with his sizing this much. I'm probably mostly raising in general because I think even described villain is taking his foot off the gas after this turn a lot with both his value hands and his bluffs (especially since we block his nut flush blocker). Meanwhile he's absolutely snapping us off with so many overpairs, top pairs, and lower flushes. Shoving turn is definitely going to be better than x/cing turn and lead shoving river.

That being said, now that we get to the river this way donk shoving still might be better...


I think I raise turn here.

As played, 3 should change nothing (other than an unlikely boat up). Let him hang himself and check river, planning c/r jam


I felt a x/raise was too face up OTF or OTT.


We are OOP to a V that is a) aggressive, and b) is a reg at higher stakes. How long have you been waiting for a table change?

I would use a counter puncher's strategy against V as described. I want him to understand that a check or other passive play by me could be with anything. (I could be c/c with the nuts OTT) . OTR I'm checking and hoping to c/r.

I'm okay if the river checks through. Sacrificing some EV now will pay off in the future.


by Stupidbanana k

I felt a x/raise was too face up OTF or OTT.

Then don’t be face up with your turn x/shoves. You should be shoving here with some bluffs, draws, and merged hands as well.


Not in love with our seat position being OOP to this guy (and I would absolutely be moving if he doubles up).

I limp in.

I highly doubt going to a flop HU OOP as the caller in a raked game with very little relative dead money with a speculative hand is profitable against all but the very worse players.

Think I'd lean to a check/raise with all our equity / FE on the flop. A 3x or so would leave us with a PSB jam for the turn which puts him in a gross spot.

Think I just donk the turn as this just gets checked back so much. As played I'd chech/raise cuz I just don't believe he's going to continue bluffing enough.

On the river I can only assume we took the line we did in order to induce. So I guess we follow thru with that plan. I guess only question is whether we jam over his bet (which I think we do as even a large bet leaves very little behind that he'll have to call off).

GcluelessNLnoobG


by Stupidbanana k

I felt a x/raise was too face up OTF or OTT.

This is why it is just so imperative to have position, as our IO are massively increased (not having to do any red flag moves like donking or check/raising scare cards versus always being able to guarantee a simple bet goes in on a street).

GcluelessinpositionnoobG


by Mr. Big Stack k

We are OOP to a V that is a) aggressive, and b) is a reg at higher stakes. How long have you been waiting for a table change?

I would use a counter puncher's strategy against V as described. I want him to understand that a check or other passive play by me could be with anything. (I could be c/c with the nuts OTT) . OTR I'm checking and hoping to c/r.

I'm okay if the river checks through. Sacrificing some EV now will pay off in the future.

Thanks this is great advice


by RaiseAnnounced k

Then don’t be face up with your turn x/shoves. You should be shoving here with some bluffs, draws, and merged hands as well.

Can you give me an example of specific holdings you would x/call a 3-bet pre with OOP and then x/raise this flop with HU?


Result:

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Hero checks river trying to induce as I know this guy can go bananas, planning to call any bet even though board paired, hoping he overestimates his stack depth, but he checks back and mucks. Later after the game breaks he said he had KJ.


by Stupidbanana k

Can you give me an example of specific holdings you would x/call a 3-bet pre with OOP and then x/raise this flop with HU?

Ranges can vary quite widely here, since putting the last bet in handcuffs villains in a lot of ways.

In this particular spot, the bare Ace of spades rules the day. You block a ton of his value (nut flushes, overpairs, and TPGK), deny equity from any of his own semibluffs, and usually have at least 12 outs when he calls. On turns where the flush doesn't get there, there's more combo draws that shove, as well as some more range mergy 2nd pair type stuff that punish people who bet too light.


donk shoving here he has a bunch of check backs.


I think preflop is a pretty clear fold, V does seem quite aggressive from the AJ hand, but it doesn't really tell us anything about how loose he is pre. If he's a higher stakes reg, he's probably 3betting a linear range - so even on the off chance that he's 3betting too wide, A9s still doesn't perform that well as a call.

The extra caller actually makes it an even clearer fold: they'll often overcall if you decide to call, and you'll be stuck in a sandwich position postflop. A lot of the times it's going to go x/x/cbet, and you'll need to put in money with one player to act. Making the preflop call even less profitable.


It's tough. I'd tried to get paid something instead of checking, but leave him some rope for if he thinks he's ahead. Bet $35 to $50 maybe. There's no set play here. A good 1/3 player is maybe making 10 BB after paying the rake. That's your hourly right there if you can get that much out of him. He might not even do that given that he seemed to slow down on the turn. His bet largely seemed like he was testing to see if you had a flush.

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