British Politics
Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.
Tory leadership contest is quickly turning into farce. Trump has backed Boris, which should be reason enough for anyone with half a brain to exclude him.
Of the other candidates Rory Stewart looks the best of the outsiders. Surprised to see Cleverly and Javid not further up the betting, but not sure the Tory membership are ready for a brown PM.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri...
Regarding the LD leadership contest, Jo Swinson is miles ahead of any other candidate (and indeed any of the Tory lot). Should be a shoe in.
Finally, it's Groundhog Day in Labour - the more serious the anti-Semitism claims get, the more Corbyn's cronies write their own obituary by blaming it on outlandish conspiracy theories - this week, it's apparently the Jewish Embassy's fault...
Because their insane tax proposals are never going to pass, whereas their policies on £1 bus fares and free school meals are entirely realistic and affordable.
Plaid Cymru have delivered free school meals for children in Wales. Nationalists care about children. Unionists are happy to let them starve.
I can still see them desperately seeking a new leader and a deal/aliance with reform.
I doubt there's any realistic mechanism unless sunak gets so fed up he tells us all to **** off a few weeks ahead of schedule.
I doubt it. Any new PM knows they'll be a laughing stock and another turn off for voters. Meanwhile He's Only Got One Ball is energised by his standing in the polls so why would he give that up? It's not like they can offer him a senior cabinet seat after the election.
I doubt it. Any new PM knows they'll be a laughing stock and another turn off for voters. Meanwhile He's Only Got One Ball is energised by his standing in the polls so why would he give that up? It's not like they can offer him a senior cabinet seat after the election.
They're at a combined 36% vs labours 42% in the latest BBC poll. Plus many still undecided. The laughing is not from the relevent part of the electorate.
but I'd agree there's not time. In the future the tories absorbing reform with farage being a major player is a distrinct possibility.
They're at a combined 36% vs labours 42% in the latest BBC poll. Plus many still undecided. The laughing is not from the relevent part of the electorate.
but I'd agree there's not time. In the future the tories absorbing reform with farage being a major player is a distrinct possibility.
Or reform absorbing Tories, why not
Semantics but I'd bet on it ending up being generally known as the conservative party and retaining the same legal identity
Semantics but I'd bet on it ending up being generally known as the conservative party and retaining the same legal identity
so basically they still have close to the same voter base but they are politically suiciding for a cycle (or more) for internal infight.
isn't this *your time*? the non conservative time? show the country what you can do, they are giving them u the keys of the kingdom.
and the responsibility for everytthat happens ofc. every single thing that you don't fix, becomes caused by you, that politics.
are you ready for the task?
so basically they still have close to the same voter base but they are politically suiciding for a cycle (or more) for internal infight.
isn't this *your time*? the non conservative time? show the country what you can do, they are giving them u the keys of the kingdom.
and the responsibility for everytthat happens ofc. every single thing that you don't fix, becomes caused by you, that politics.
are you ready for the task?
No, because you're thinking of that status quo existing forever. Think of it as a rotten fruit that will keep getting worse. Protestant extremism is the vinegar on the chips that have already been pissed on. How can the current situation get worse? Throw religion into the mix. DUP and TUV as kingmakers. A future where the irish tricolour is being burned, orangemen running amok, crucifixions and anything except bible study is illegal on the sabbath.
so basically they still have close to the same voter base but they are politically suiciding for a cycle (or more) for internal infight.
isn't this *your time*? the non conservative time? show the country what you can do, they are giving them u the keys of the kingdom.
and the responsibility for everytthat happens ofc. every single thing that you don't fix, becomes caused by you, that politics.
are you ready for the task?
It should be our time but we gave up.
They're at a combined 36% vs labours 42% in the latest BBC poll. Plus many still undecided. The laughing is not from the relevent part of the electorate.
but I'd agree there's not time. In the future the tories absorbing reform with farage being a major player is a distrinct possibility.
Reform turn the stomachs of enough current tory voters to drive them to other parties or abstention so they don’t have 36% as one party.
If they did unite under one party it would be so extreme that existing centrist One Nation tories might start a new party, leaving room for Labour to move back to the left once their prick of a “leader” has been deposed. There are only so many parties that can occupy the same ground under a FPTP system.
To clarify the debate about immigration not all being equal, what is needed is this sort of study (which could give very different results in different countries of course), and an admission from both sides to never put togheter the good and the bad immigration sources again otherwise the debate will always be toxic and in bad faith.
Btw "non-western" should be and a clear cut "origin country education level" or other sort of proxy for economic quality of the median migrant should be used, western doesn't necessarily makes sense
Does a study like this exist for the UK?
I hope not because it doesn't matter much where people come from.
Have you done much travelling?
I hope not because it doesn't matter much where people come from.
Have you done much travelling?
well for Denmark, objectively, it does a lot (see above).
Again why are you deny objective reality? unclear.
As i said for other countries it will be very different. Denmark isn't getting the indian physicians, the bangladeshi researchers, the pakistani engineers.
Denmark is important because it's an example of left-wing parties (actual leftwing, super pro big welfare state and lately pro green policies) going very strict with extra-EU immigration.
well for Denmark, objectively, it does a lot (see above).
Again why are you deny objective reality? unclear.
As i said for other countries it will be very different. Denmark isn't getting the indian physicians, the bangladeshi researchers, the pakistani engineers.
Denmark is important because it's an example of left-wing parties (actual leftwing, super pro big welfare state and lately pro green policies) going very strict with extra-EU immigration.
You asked about the UK.
You didn't answer my question about your travel experience.
Also your graph is pretty stupid. If you mainly bring in immigrants from non-Western countries to do low paid work that the host population doesn't generally want to do you can expect them to pay less tax.
All your graph is good for is showing that low paid workers need higher wages.
A graph of the UK in the late 50s onwards would look similar.
I asked if there are data, for the UK, of fiscal net contributions of immigrants based on nation of origin.
I traveled a lot but not as much as some people, i am not sure how that is relevant in any way though. When you travel, even when you stay months in a different country, you don't become knowleadgeable of actual national statistics more than if you stay at home and read the data.
Also your graph is pretty stupid. If you mainly bring in immigrants from non-Western countries to do low paid work that the host population doesn't generally want to do you can expect them to pay less tax.
Your graph is a good argument for raising the pay of the lowest paid workers.
A graph of the UK in the late 50s onwards would look similar.
That means you are not getting the good ones from those countries though...
And if you want to "raise the pay of the lowest paid workers" then stop immigration of unskilled people and the market will adjust until the host population accepts to do those jobs.
But if you keep taking in people accepting to work at lower wages , wages will stay low. Unless ofc you want to decide wages in parliament which is a complete non starter for non marxists (and inevitably creates economic disasters)
I asked if there are data, for the UK, of fiscal net contributions of immigrants based on nation of origin.
I traveled a lot but not as much as some people, i am not sure how that is relevant in any way though. When you travel, even when you stay months in a different country, you don't become knowleadgeable of actual national statistics more than if you stay at home and read the data.
No you don't, but you do become highly aware that there are good and bad people everywhere in the world and that it doesn't really matter whether someone's from a western or non western country. I'm sorry you don't seem to have had these experiences that would have better informed your views about different groups of people.
No it doesn't mean that at all. Most working class people are at least as "good" people as the middle classes, perhaps more so on average because they tend to be more active in their communities.
You're showing an acute lack of real world awareness here.
No you don't, but you do become highly aware that there are good and bad people everywhere in the world and that it doesn't really matter whether someone's from a western or non western country. I'm sorry you don't seem to have had these experiences that would have better informed your views about different groups of people.
Not in the same proportions, or all countries would have the same per capita gdp.
