PROOF: Judeo-Christian Bible Inspired of God

The term "Judeo-Christian" sets apart the Bible used by Jews and Christians from other Bibles. "Judeo" refers to the Hebrew Scriptures/Old Testament and "Christian" refers to the Christian Greek Scriptures/New Testament.

Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18

A miracle!
After almost 3 years, this thread has risen from the dead!

That said.... I'm still waiting to hear about those ""2,000 accurately fulfilled prophesies"....

Lunkwill:

Three years is how long I've been away from this website, which is why I was late responding to the last post from spaceman Bryce within the thread.

Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18

Lunkwill:

No, you're not. You're not waiting to hear about anything Biblical. Your sole purpose for showing up is to parade your Atheist Religious fervor for the benefit of onlookers. I could post a couple of outstanding Bible prophecies and their fulfillment, as confirmed by secular historians (people not affiliated with the Bible), and what I post would fall on deaf ears because you're too busy being loyal to your religion. Even if you (Lunkwill) were to recognize what I post as a truly convincing Bible prophecy, you would never admit to it because you have a reputation to live up. You have to impress the other Atheist Religionists reading this thread that you are a die hard Atheist.

Whenever I ask Atheist Religionists direct questions, they dodge and refuse to give honest answers because they realize that if they respond honestly, their preconceived ideas and their Atheist Religious beliefs would be debunked by their own answer. So instead of honest answers, they turn up and post more tripe.

If you look at my post count, you will see that I have less than 500 postings at this website in the past 12 years. The negativity and insincerity demonstrated by the Atheist Religionists who show up in my threads leaves a lot to be desired. When one expects intelligent, thoughtful responses and get nothing but nonsensical responses, what's the point of me showing up here on a regular basis?

Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18

2000 fulfilled Biblical prophecies, eh? Out of how many? WhatÂ’s the BibleÂ’s batting average. Just a few of the prophecies IÂ’m sure you left out:

Ezekiel 29:12 And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are lain waste shall be desolate for forty years.
Umm Egypt has never been desolate from the time of the pharaohs until today

Ezekiel 29:19 I will give the land of Egypt unto Nebuchadnezzar. UmmÂ… Babylon never conquered or ruled Egypt

Ezekiel 30:12 I will dry up the streams of the Nile and sell the land to evil men. UmmÂ…neither the Nile nor its tributaries have ever dried up

Ezekiel 28:24 And there shall no more be a pricking brier unto the house of Israel, nor any grieving thorn of all that are round them. UmmÂ… paging Hamas, Hezbohllah etc.

ThereÂ’s four swings and misses for you, and all from just one book! GodÂ’s not batting 1.000 is He? Why not? A 0.300 batting average is pretty good for a baseball player, but for an omniscient deity, well anything less than 1.000 is pretty suspect isnÂ’t it?

stremba70:

At no time did I state on this forum that all of the 2,000 Bible prophecies were confirmed by secular history. I said "many of them have been confirmed by secular history." Your claim about "four swings and misses" indicates you are relying only on secular historians, as if they know everything. You sound like you are desperate to win a prize or something.

Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18

Wow!
Saying that you "could" provide evidence but choose not to since you think I won't listen reminds me of arguments I had as a child with my friends: "I could tell you but don't wanna! You're stupid!"

Then you proceed to tell me stories about your alleged interactions with atheists and critique THOSE interactions rather than interact with me. How would you feel if I dismissed you because I had many bad interactions with insincere "religious people"?

But back to the topic of "biblical prophecies fulfilled": how about citing just TEN predictions that were specific and accurate? Just ten out of 2000! And nothing vague! Something specific like: "And Jesus looked out onto the land (now identified as Gaza) and said "In 2024 summers after my death, a Jewish army will rescue 4 hostages from evil men who hast taken them" ?

That would be cool!
Alternatively..... it would be helpful if Jesus could provide some good stock market predictions....

Lunkwill:

I will give you 10 prophecies, each one in a different post. Below is Prophecy No. 1. It deals with:

The Exile in Babylon
In the 8th Century B.C.E., shortly after his recovery from a severe illness, Hezekiah the king of Jerusalem received a delegation from Merodach-baladan, king of Babylon. Instead of trusting in Jehovah to protect him against enemies, Hezekiah instead decided to expose all of his wealth and his dominion to Merodach-baladan who apparently saw Hezekiah as a possible ally against the then world power of Assyria and vice versa. (See Isaiah 39:1 and 2) After Hezekiah did that (exposed his wealth to the Babylonians to impress them as possible allies) Jehovah sent the Prophet Isaiah to Hezekiah with the following warning:

"{5} Isaiah now said to Hezekiah: "Hear the word of Jehovah of armies, {6} 'Look! Days are coming, and all that is in your house and all that your forefathers have stored up to this day will be carried off to Babylon. Nothing will be left,'" says Jehovah. (Isaiah 39:5-6)

Remember, Assyria was the world power at the time of the above pronouncement. One hundred years later, Babylon replaced Assyria as the dominant world power. This time, another prophet, Jeremiah, was inspired to repeat Isaiah's warning. Jeremiah proclaimed:

"I will bring [the Babylonians] against this land and against its inhabitants . . . And all this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years."—Jeremiah 25:9, 11.

"About four years after Jeremiah uttered that prophecy, the Babylonians made Judah part of their empire. Three years after that, they took some Jewish captives, along with some of the wealth of the temple at Jerusalem, to Babylon. Eight years later, Judah revolted and was again invaded by the Babylonian king, Nebuchadnezzar. This time, the city and its temple were destroyed. All its wealth, and the Jews themselves, were carried off to distant Babylon, just as Isaiah and Jeremiah had foretold.​—2 Chronicles 36:6, 7, 12, 13, 17-21."

ARCHEOLOGY CONFIRMS THE SHOCKING FULFILLMENT OF THIS PROPHECY:
"The Archaeological Encyclopedia of the Holy Land notes that when the Babylonian onslaught was over, "the destruction of the city [Jerusalem] was a total one." Archaeologist W. F. Albright states: "Excavation and surface exploration in Judah have proved that the towns of Judah were not only completely destroyed by the Chaldeans in their two invasions, but were not reoccupied for generations—often never again in history."​ (Sources JW.ORG and BJU Seminary)

Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18

Lunkwill:

Below is Prophecy No. 2. It deals with:

The Fate of Tyre
"The Prophet Ezekiel prophesied from the end of the seventh century B.C.E. on into the sixth​—that is, during the years leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem and then during the first decades of the Jews' exile in Babylon. Even some modern critics agree that the book was written at approximately this time.

"Ezekiel recorded a striking prophecy about the destruction of Israel's northern neighbor Tyre, which had gone from a position of friendship with God's people to one of enmity. (1 Kings 5:1-9; Psalm 83:2-8) Concerning Tyre, the Prophet Ezekiel wrote:

"This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, 'Here I am against you, O Tyre, and I will bring up against you many nations, just as the sea brings up its waves. And they will certainly bring the walls of Tyre to ruin and tear down her towers, and I will scrape her dust away from her and make her a shining, bare surface of a crag. . . . And your stones and your woodwork and your dust they will place in the very midst of the water."​—Ezekiel 26:3, 4, 12

"A few years after Ezekiel uttered the prophecy, Nebuchadnezzar (the king of Babylon) laid siege to Tyre. (Ezekiel 29:17, 18) However, because Tyre was partially situated on the mainland (the part called Old Tyre) and the other part of the city was on an island about half a mile offshore, it was a difficult siege. Nebuchadnezzar besieged the island for 13 years before it finally submitted to him.

"But it was not until 332 B.C.E. that Ezekiel's prophecy was finally fulfilled in all its details. At that time, Alexander the Great, the conqueror from Macedonia, was invading Asia. Tyre, secure on its island location, held out against him. Alexander did not want to leave a potential enemy at his rear, but he did not want to spend years in a siege of Tyre, as Nebuchadnezzar had done.

"How did he solve this military problem? He built a land bridge, or mole, across to the island, so that his soldiers could march across and attack the island city. Notice, though, what he used to build the mole. The Encyclopedia Americana reports: "With the debris of the mainland portion of the city, which he had demolished, he built a huge mole in 332 to join the island to the mainland." After a relatively short siege, the island city was destroyed. Moreover, Ezekiel's prophecy was fulfilled in all its details. Even the 'stones and woodwork and dust' of Old Tyre were 'placed in the very midst of the water.'"

CONFIRMATION OF TYRE'S DESTRUCTION:
"A 19th-century traveler commented on what was left of ancient Tyre in his day, saying: "Of the original Tyre known to Solomon and the prophets of Israel, not a vestige remains except in its rock-cut sepulchres on the mountain sides, and in foundation walls . . . Even the island, which Alexander the Great, in his siege of the city, converted into a cape by filling up the water between it and the mainland, contains no distinguishable relics of an earlier period than that of the Crusades. The modern town, all of which is comparatively new, occupies the northern half of what was once the island, while nearly all the remainder of the surface is covered with undistinguishable ruins."" (Sources: JW.ORG and Encyclopedia Britannica)
https://www.britannica.com/place/Tyre

Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18

Lunkwill:

Note: The colors used below are so you can identify two different prophecies since I'm giving Prophecies 3 and 4 in this post. One of the prophecies below deals with the identity of the armed forces that would be used against the world power of Babylon. I will color it in magenta, and it is Prophecy No. 3. Prophecy No. 4 will be in purple, and it deals with:

Babylon's Turn
Back in the eighth century B.C.E., when the prophet Isaiah warned the Jews of their coming subjugation by Babylon, he was also inspired by Jehovah to foretell something astounding: the total annihilation of Babylon itself. Remember, at the time of this prophecy, Assyria was the world power. Isaiah's prophecy about the total destruction of Babylon would happen AFTER Babylon became the world power. (The Neo-Babylonian Empire became the most powerful state in the world after defeating the Assyrians at Nineveh in 612 B.C.E.)

In graphic detail Jehovah God inspired Isaiah to write: "Here I am arousing against them the Medes . . . And Babylon, the decoration of kingdoms, the beauty of the pride of the Chaldeans, must become as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. She will never be inhabited, nor will she reside for generation after generation. No Arab will pitch his tent there, And no shepherds will rest their flocks there."​—Isaiah 13:17-20.

Not only did Jehovah inspire the prophet Isaiah to identify the army that would be used as part of the destroying force against Babylon (the Medes), he also inspired the prophet Isaiah to identify the man by name that would be used to destroy Babylon despite the fact the man, a pagan (a non-worshiper of Jehovah) was not yet conceived.

"This is what Jehovah says to his anointed one, to Cyrus, Whose right hand I have taken hold of To subdue nations before him, To disarm kings, To open before him the double doors, So that the gates will not be shut:" (Isaiah 45:1)

The prophet Jeremiah also foretold the fall of Babylon, which would take place many years later. And he included an interesting detail: "There is a devastation upon her waters, and they must be dried up. . . . The mighty men of Babylon have ceased to fight. They have kept sitting in the strong places. Their mightiness has run dry."—Jeremiah 50:38; 51:30.

In 539 B.C.E., Babylon's rule as the preeminent world power came to an end when the vigorous Persian ruler Cyrus, accompanied by the army of Media, marched against the city. What Cyrus found, however, was formidable. Babylon was surrounded by huge walls and seemed impregnable. The great river Euphrates, too, ran through the city and made an important contribution to its defenses.

The Greek historian Herodotus describes how Cyrus handled the problem:

"He placed a portion of his army at the point where the river enters the city, and another body at the back of the place where it issues forth, with orders to march into the town by the bed of the stream, as soon as the water became shallow enough . . . He turned the Euphrates by a canal into the basin [an artificial lake dug by a previous ruler of Babylon], which was then a marsh, on which the river sank to such an extent that the natural bed of the stream became fordable. Hereupon the Persians who had been left for the purpose at Babylon by the river-side, entered the stream, which had now sunk so as to reach about midway up a man's thigh, and thus got into the town."

In this way the city fell, as Jeremiah and Isaiah had warned. But notice the detailed fulfillment of prophecy. There was literally 'a devastation upon her waters, and they were dried up.' It was the lowering of the waters of the Euphrates that enabled Cyrus to gain access to the city. Did 'the mighty men of Babylon cease to fight,' as Jeremiah had warned? The Bible—as well as the Greek historians Herodotus and Xenophon—​records that the Babylonians were actually feasting when the Persian assault occurred.​ The Nabonidus Chronicle, an official cuneiform inscription, says that Cyrus' troops entered Babylon "without battle," likely meaning without a major pitched battle.​ Evidently, Babylon's mighty men did not do much to protect her.

What about the forecast that Babylon would "never be inhabited" again? That was not fulfilled immediately in 539 B.C.E. But unerringly the prophecy came true. After her fall, Babylon was the center of a number of rebellions, until 478 B.C.E. when she was destroyed by Xerxes. At the end of the fourth century, Alexander the Great planned to restore her, but he died before the work had progressed very far. From then on, the city just declined. There were still people living there in the first century of our Common Era, but today all that is left of ancient Babylon is a heap of ruins in Iraq. Even if her ruins should be partially restored, Babylon would be just a tourist showpiece, not a living, vibrant city. Her desolate site bears witness to the final fulfillment of the inspired prophecies against her. (Sources JW.ORG and HISTORY)
https://www.history.com/topics/ancient-m...

Lunkwill, I will give you the remaining six prophecies at another time. I'm done for today.

Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18

Before I address your story, I'm just going to say something about the "burden of proof". In this situation (a claim that the bible & biblical figures predicted a specific event... the old saying that "a broken clock is right twice a day" comes to mind), I submit that the bar should be "high". This is why I said that the prediction should be specific! Additionally, you have to "do the math" and consider the source. After all, Nostradamus made thousands of predictions and small number turned out to be "correct" while we ignore the incorrect ones. Additionally, I'm guessing that some lottery winners claim that god gave them the numbers and the odds where 1 in hundreds of millions so isn't that evidence of god's power?

Given all that, I found your story underwhelming.
A king of Judah (not Jerusalem BTW) is warned not to do something by two prophets and it takes more than a hundred years for the consequences of ignoring the warning to finally come about? I bet a lot of stuff happened over 100 years. It doesn't sound like much of a prophecy. The archeology just says that it happened. It probably did happen.... but it doesn't seem miraculous to me. Additionally, what about all the OTHER presumably failed) predictions? They don't "make the press".

I'm looking for something like "And Jesus said: In 1,963 years after my death, a terrible murder will take place when a man sitting on the 6th floor of a type of library uses a powerful weapon to strike a great leader as he travels through the streets of a new land in his chariot."

I might add: prophecies of events that are foreseeable at the time they are made are not particularly impressive either. If someone made the “prophecy” in November 2001 that US troops would invade Iraq and that Saddam Hussein’s regime would be ousted, would you really think that was divinely inspired? Or would you just think that was a reasonable prediction based on the rhetoric of the Presidential administration of the US at the time and the relative military capabilities of the countries involved?

Similarly with many of the “Fall of Babylon” prophecies, these are likely a combination of reasonably foreseeable events plus some wishful thinking - the Hebrews writing them WANTED Babylon to fall and even a cursory study of history shows that no empire lasts forever.

I also realized that my example of Jesus predicting the Kennedy assassination isn't a good test of prophetic accuracy since people (in this case Oswald) would commit the murder BECAUSE he read that it was "predicted".

So..... this stuff can get tricky.

Maybe if Jesus/Mohammed/Joe Pesci predicted something that can't be easily controlled (a specific and unusual weather event on a specific day for example).

stremba70:

None of the three prophecies that I've posted thus far were foreseeable at the time.

In 732 B.C.E, the prophet Isaiah completed his writing of the book named after him.

Assyria was the world power at the time of Isaiah's prophecy about the destruction of Jerusalem and the removal of its wealth by the Babylonians--the succeeding world power. Babylon did not become the world power until 612 B.C.E. (120 years after Isaiah finished his book). The prophecy about the destruction of Jerusalem and Judah states:

"'Look! Days are coming, and all that is in your house and all that your forefathers have stored up to this day will be carried off to Babylon. Nothing will be left,'" says Jehovah.” (Isaiah 39:6)

It was not until 586 B.C.E. that the Babylonians destroyed Jerusalem and Judah and carried off all of its wealth (as prophesied). In other words, that prophecy was fulfilled some 150 years AFTER it was written, and it was written at the time when Babylon had not yet become the world power. By then Isaiah and all of his contemporaries were long dead.

I will address your above statement in two other posts by elaborating on the other two prophecies that I posted within this thread.

Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18

stremba70:

That's wishful thinking on your part, because you just can't cope with the fact that prophecies prove that the Judeo-Christian Bible is no ordinary book and that, in fact, prophecies prove it was inspired by the Almighty God.

Remember, the prophet Isaiah completed his writing in 732 B.C.E. when Assyria was the world power. Babylon did not become the world power until 612 B.C.E. (120 years later).

Isaiah was inspired by Jehovah to prophecy the destruction of Babylon AFTER Babylon became the world power. The prophecy stated that Babylon would become not just be any world power but the most powerful of all of the world powers, by stating that Babylon would be "the most glorious of kingdoms" (Isaiah 13:19). The prophecy also identified the opposing army that would take part in Babylon's destruction, identifying them as the Medes. (Isaiah 13:17). Notice the prophecy below:

Isaiah 13:17
Here I am raising up against them the Medes, Who regard silver as nothing And who take no delight in gold.

Isaiah 13:18
Their bows will shatter young men; They will show no pity on the fruit of the womb Nor mercy to children.

Isaiah 13:19
And Babylon, the most glorious of kingdoms, The beauty and the pride of the Chalde'ans, Will be like Sodʹom and Gomor'rah when God overthrew them.

Isaiah 13:20
She will never be inhabited, Nor will she be a place to reside in throughout all generations. No Arab will pitch his tent there, And no shepherds will rest their flocks there.

Babylon was destroyed in 539 B.C.E. Isaiah prophesied its destruction almost 200 years before it occurred.

In fact, in a previous prophecy, Jehovah inspired Isaiah to give the name of the individual that would take the lead in the destruction of Babylon.

"This is what Jehovah says to his anointed one, to Cyrus, Whose right hand I have taken hold of To subdue nations before him, To disarm kings, To open before him the double doors, So that the gates will not be shut:" (Isaiah 45:1)

Cyrus was a pagan (someone who does not worship Jehovah). At the time Isaiah identified him by name, he was not yet born.

Secular historians have confirmed that Cyrus the Great took the lead in the destruction of Babylon in 539 B.C.E.

"The fall of Babylon is a historical event that occurred in 539 BC. This event saw the conquest of Babylon by the Achaemenid Empire under Cyrus the Great and marked the end of the Neo-Babylonian Empire. The fall of Babylon is reported by a number of ancient sources, including the Cyrus Cylinder, the Greek historian Herodotus, as well as a number of books in the Old Testament."
https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-...

Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18

stremba70:

None of the three prophecies that I listed within this thread were foreseeable at the time of their writing because they were fulfilled over a century after they had been prophesied, and the details within the prophecies concerning HOW they would be destroyed was unknown to the men who Jehovah used to write down the prophecies. Take, for example, the prophecy about the destruction of Tyre which was prophesied by Ezekiel.

The prophet Ezekiel completed his writing in 591 B.C.E.

This prophecy was fulfilled completely in 332 B.C.E., some 250 years after it was written under inspiration of Jehovah, the God of the Judeo-Christian Bible. It was fulfilled in minute detail.

"This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, 'Here I am against you, O Tyre, . . . I will scrape her dust away . . . . And your stones and your woodwork and your dust they will place in the very midst of the water."—Ezekiel 26:3, 4, 12

“Probably the best-known episode in the history of Tyre was its resistance to the army of the Macedonian conqueror Alexander the Great, who took it after a seven-month siege in 332. He completely destroyed the mainland portion of the town and used its rubble to build an immense causeway (some 2,600 feet [800 metres] long and 600–900 feet [180–270 metres] wide) to gain access to the island section. After the town’s capture, 10,000 inhabitants were put to death, and 30,000 were sold into slavery. Alexander’s causeway, which was never removed, converted the island into a peninsula. (Source: Encyclopedia Britannica)
https://www.britannica.com/place/Tyre

Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18

Alter2Ego is incredibly wordy until he gets owned. Then he runs like cheetah. Meh.

Well you must be pretty tired from moving those heavy goalposts. Ezekiel 26:1-21 says that Tyre would fall to Nebuchadnezzar and would never again be inhabited. Now you are posting about how Alexander the Great conquered the city and calling that a fulfilled prophecy? How would an all-powerful deity get the name of the conquerer and the timing of the conquest so wrong? A tribe of people who were themselves held captive by the “prophesized” conquerer, sure. All all powerful deity ; no way. Sorry but the devils in the details, especially if you want to claim divine inspiration. Humans can be wrong; not all-powerful deities.

And BTW AlterEgo, when exactly was Egypt a barren wasteland? When did the Nile dry up? When did Babylon conquer Egypt? Those were Biblical prophesies; or do those ones not count?

Yes agreed ... and of course they always know just which one is the "real" god. Every time. Every religion. Every cult. Their's is the one true belief.

stremba70:

Provide Bible book, chapter, and verse, as well as the Biblical quotation within this thread, and I will answer your questions.

Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18

stremba70:

You're in error. The prophecy said Tyre would fall to many nations and would eventually be completely destroyed by one of its enemies that would "throw your stones and your woodwork and your soil into the water."

Ezekiel 26:3
therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘Here I am against you, O Tyre, and I will bring up many nations against you, just as the sea brings up its waves.

The writing of the book of Ezekiel was completed in 591 B.C.E.

Nebuchadnezzer of Babylon was one of the "many" destroying nations. He seiged Tyre from 586 to 573 B.C.E. It took him 13 years to capture the island portion of Tyre because an island is surround by water and therefore hard to capture. The prophecy was completely fulfilled when Alexander the Great destroyed the mainland portion of Tyre in 332 B.C.E. -- more than 250 years after Ezekiel wrote the prophecy in 591. Alexander the Great used the debris from the destroyed mainland to create a sort of bridge (by placing the debris of the destroyed mainland into the water that protected the island portion of Tyre). Thereafter, Alexander's army marched across their "bridge" and captured and completely destroyed the island portion of Tyre in fulfillment of what was written some 250 years prior at Ezekiel 26:12.

The prophecy said the following would occur:

Ezekiel 26:4
They will destroy the walls of Tyre and tear down her towers, and I will scrape away soil and make her a shining, bare rock.

Ezekiel 26:12
They will loot your resources, plunder your merchandise, tear down your walls, and pull down your fine houses; then they will throw your stones and your woodwork and your soil into the water.’

Secular historians (non-religious sources) have confirmed this was what occurred.

Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18