Ongoing VP TR, PART 2!

Ongoing VP TR, PART 2!

Hi all, apparently my previous thread may have gotten so long that it's causing issues for the website. So, here is a new thread to keep this going, and it also gives me an opportunity to provide a quick recap of how I've gotten to that point.

Background-
- former poker player; got in pre-2003 boom, printed money online until about 2007 when games got harder/I started making decent money
- took poker roll and transitioned to straight casino degen. Went thru a blackjack and craps phase
- Dad played progressively bigger and more at various Vegas casinos starting around 2005, settled on Wynn and gave them all of his action. Massive comps and Chairman's club status for Dad resulted
- I started playing VP around 2013, 2014? knowing it was one of the best casino games on offer; slagged off of parent's comp for years
- as I played more and bigger, Dad's host became my host
- Circa 2019-2021, went on the most massive sun run, +500k over that time period; basically played bigger, kept winning, played bigger, kept winning, etc
- 2022-now- basically have run cold and am trying to sustain my VP for the long term

Game of choice-
- Triple double bonus, preferring multiline and ultimate X
- will play craps, more often with buddies
- despise blackjack

Typical TR features stays at the Wynn, good food, gambling, +/- other stuff (shows, family coming with, etc)

That's probably a decent synopsis!

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Sick comeback, and crazy how much it resembles my own TR from April but obviously on a much smaller scale. Went from $500 to $16 500 in 30 minutes on UX while killing time before the airport and it saved the entire trip.


Not much to say here. D is taking an early AM flight and in fact we've settled up already.

What a comeback. Sure, I'm only up a few k, but up is up. D comes down to head to the airport, sees the credits in the machine and immediately says "MOTHER F'ER!". He knows I've made a huge comeback, and he's not part of it. I feel really bad and snap decide to give him 2k right there. So he ends up stuck 2.5k for the trip out of a 5k trip bankroll, that's not bad at all and he recognizes that. We say our goodbyes and I keep playing.

Day 4 result- +100k

I'm not one to be overly superstitious, but res ipsa loquitur


wow. great finish!


by MuckPls k

Sick comeback, and crazy how much it resembles my own TR from April but obviously on a much smaller scale. Went from $500 to $16 500 in 30 minutes on UX while killing time before the airport and it saved the entire trip.

For sure. It's the magic of VP. What you need is one of those magical trips where it starts hot and stays hot. Those trips are ecstasy, it's like printing money.

by NhlNut k

I'm not one to be overly superstitious, but res ipsa loquitur

You have no idea how many times I've thought this over the years. Until I booked a winner with D, I literally thought he was my bad luck charm. Let's keep in mind he rolled that monster this trip. I've also booked winners with him over the years.

With enough sample size I've definitely proven to myself there's no such thing as a good/bad luck charm. I thought B was my run good friend, until he wasn't. Thought D was bad luck until he wasn't. Thought I ran better alone until I didn't. The one thing I'm still lacking is smashing a monster with my wife, she's seen the pics and been there for low 5 digit hits but nothing truly massive.

And yes, during this trip I STILL got a little superstitious about D 😀


by MuckPls k

Sick comeback, and crazy how much it resembles my own TR from April but obviously on a much smaller scale. Went from $500 to $16 500 in 30 minutes on UX while killing time before the airport and it saved the entire trip.

by leon k

For sure. It's the magic of VP. What you need is one of those magical trips where it starts hot and stays hot. Those trips are ecstasy, it's like printing money.

LOVE those multiplier games. My personal favorite is Double Super Times Pay, in part because I almost won the Big One with it. 10x multiplier.


by pig4bill k

LOVE those multiplier games. My personal favorite is Double Super Times Pay, in part because I almost won the Big One with it. 10x multiplier.

I both love and hate them. I tried double super times pay on TDB last time but it was waaaay too degen for my liking. Funy thing is, I have progressed since getting hooked to Leon´s TRs back in the day and hitting my first hand pay on single line TDB at Harrahs many years ago. Now regular 1-line VP is way too boring, I have to play 10-line to satisfy my inner degen.


Feels impossible to have anything on the 10x hands other than drawing to a single card and getting 0 credits. Max tilt.


Leon,

That is one epic comeback! Sounds even sweeter when you hit it on the last day of your trip.

I played a three-play machine at Orleans (I am pretty sure) you would never venture there. Whenever you hit some combination, it was giving me three more bonus hands on the top.

I played it while waiting for my seat, for the life of me, I couldn't remember which machine or the area where that machine was or what game it was and couldn't play it again.

Things I remember:
It is a triple double bonus
It has different denominations and different number of hands (chose 25c and triple play)
It had a curve like screen, where the bonus hands were appearing on the top

Also, wanted to check with you the machines you play, where in encore are they are located.


Pretty sure you are describing Powerhouse Poker. If you get jacks or better, it gives 3 more hands; two pair, 6 more hands, trips/flush/straight/full house, 9 more hands and the straights/flushes/full houses get multipliers on some of the hands.

It is available in any game that is on the machine (triple double, double double, etc.)

I played last year at Venetian, got dealt a flush with 4 to royal so had 12 draws, and had multipliers on some of them and hit the royal twice, both on multiplier lines.

Fun game, but is very volatile.


by MuckPls k

I both love and hate them. I tried double super times pay on TDB last time but it was waaaay too degen for my liking. Funy thing is, I have progressed since getting hooked to Leon´s TRs back in the day and hitting my first hand pay on single line TDB at Harrahs many years ago. Now regular 1-line VP is way too boring, I have to play 10-line to satisfy my inner degen.

Not only is single line more boring, it's higher variance.

Personally I think if one is playing a multiplier game you basically have to play as many lines as possible. Otherwise it's just a set up for tilt- you miss SO DAMN OFTEN. It's partly why I'm going back to more 10 line UX- 5 lines sucks. I'd rather go broke faster and at least have fun. Bleeding to death slowly is the nut low.

by GolfPro k

Leon,

That is one epic comeback! Sounds even sweeter when you hit it on the last day of your trip.

I played a three-play machine at Orleans (I am pretty sure) you would never venture there. Whenever you hit some combination, it was giving me three more bonus hands on the top.

I played it while waiting for my seat, for the life of me, I couldn't remember which machine or the area where that machine was or what game it was and couldn't play it again.

Things I remember:
It is a triple double bonus
It ha

As Black Aces said, I think that's powerhouse poker. I don't play on anything special, just 9/6 TDB on spin poker, UX and "regular" which can be found anywhere. Wynn has better machines than the Encore overall, some of the paytables at Encore are lol bad.


by MuckPls k

I both love and hate them. I tried double super times pay on TDB last time but it was waaaay too degen for my liking. Funy thing is, I have progressed since getting hooked to Leon´s TRs back in the day and hitting my first hand pay on single line TDB at Harrahs many years ago. Now regular 1-line VP is way too boring, I have to play 10-line to satisfy my inner degen.

10-line is a bit much for me at the start. I like to start off on 3-line, move up to 5-line if I run hot, then up to 10-line if I stay hot. I want to be on 10-line when I get that first-ever dealt royal. 😀


lol, holy ****, what a comeback, congrats!


As always, thanks for taking so much time out of your busy schedule to write up these trip reports for us. It never gets old.


by leon k

May 16-19th TR

The reason for this one is simple- the 5k +1500$ rebuy slot tourney!

idk for this specific game/pay table but somewhat surprised you didn't go for the straight flush here



by rickroll k

idk for this specific game/pay table but somewhat surprised you didn't go for the straight flush here

I'd love to see your math as to why you think that would be a good idea.


by punkass k

ooooo love Peking Duck, definitely taking note

it's interesting, i've never had peking duck outside of peking

but looking at those photos it was quite different and entire time i was wondering if it was an americanized improvement or not


by Black Aces 518 k

Feels impossible to have anything on the 10x hands other than drawing to a single card and getting 0 credits. Max tilt.

I once bricked a flush draw on a 50 play machine. I wish I still had the photo. On the other hand, I also hit two royals about ten lines apart on the same machine, holding only QJs


by leon k

This is something that sort of occurred to me this trip, again. It really doesn't get any better than the Wynn. They're the best, the nicest, and they know it.

most of my macau poker was in the wynn

hearing of "play bj for an hour and get a free room" kind of stuff you'd hear about vegas - i decided that macau couldn't be much different and decided to inquire about that because i certainly wasn't paying like $550 a night for a basic room when i could book something down the street for $30

i asked and the person pointed over to the people at the 10k hkd min (like 1.3k usd) baccarat tables and told me those people are not even getting comped rooms

100% agree with your thoughts that they know where they stand and have probably run the numbers and found that they'll make at 70% occupancy with most of those rooms being paid for than 100% occupancy with most of the rooms comped because the room revenue alone is so much

they've also probably run the numbers and found that most people are like you, they get their comps removed and still decide to patronize them because they'd rather pay for a cabana at the wynn that stay somewhere else - i highly doubt your host was speaking off the cuff in your negotiations but instead has been thoroughly trained with how to respond to people who are threatening to take their business elsewhere


by Karma k

I'd love to see your math as to why you think that would be a good idea.

i never said i thought it would be good - was asking because leon has specifically said in the past that he doesn't always play optimally and will break made hands for the premium chase

also, with some formats, it's higher ev to break the dealt flush and chase the straight flush

i am not familiar with the format leon plays, but it was understanding that the multipliers involved put an even higher premium on chasing the elite holdings

hence the question, emphasis on it being a question


It is profitable to break a flush when you have four to a royal, but I don’t believe there is any game where breaking a flush for four to a straight flush is a profitable play.


by rickroll k

hence the question, emphasis on it being a question

To be fair, it wasn't a question.


by Randall Stevens k

To be fair, it wasn't a question.

yeah i can see now i didn't phrase it well


by MEb k

It is profitable to break a flush when you have four to a royal, but I don’t believe there is any game where breaking a flush for four to a straight flush is a profitable play.

It will be in some deuces wild variants with 1-2 deuces in your hand.

For example, in Double Bonus Deuces Wild -- full pay, where the straight flush returns 60 but the flush only returns 10.

In this game, 6s7s8sKs-2x and 6s7sKs-2-2 will both have you dump the Ks to draw for a straight flush. On the other hand, 5s7s8sKs-2x is not broken at all, and 5s7sKs-2-2 will have you dump all three spades and keep only the two deuces.


by Black Aces 518 k

Feels impossible to have anything on the 10x hands other than drawing to a single card and getting 0 credits. Max tilt.

100% this. The amount of times I have gotten a full house or a flush and gotten absolutely nothing is insane. That made up during my last TR when I landed trip aces not once but twice and binked the fourth with the kicker. I obviously don´t play nowhere near the volume Leon does but still play a considerable amount to know that 99.9% of the time you are getting dealt absolute garbage after a 10x or 12x.


by rickroll k

it's interesting, i've never had peking duck outside of peking

but looking at those photos it was quite different and entire time i was wondering if it was an americanized improvement or not

I've never actually had Peking duck from Peking. That said, when something tastes amazing who cares where it's from? The duck was the bomb.

by MuckPls k

100% this. The amount of times I have gotten a full house or a flush and gotten absolutely nothing is insane. That made up during my last TR when I landed trip aces not once but twice and binked the fourth with the kicker. I obviously don´t play nowhere near the volume Leon does but still play a considerable amount to know that 99.9% of the time you are getting dealt absolute garbage after a 10x or 12x.

Yes. And every once in a while you spike something like this-

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