1/3 - TPTK 5-way, facing a donk and different stack sizes
Friday night, 9-handed
1/3 match stack, 6+1 rake
Button (30s BG, fish I have good rapport with. Chases with any speculative hand, any draw regardless of odds, ~410) straddles 6
SB (40s BG, thinking loose passive, ~225) calls
MP (manicured 40s WG, passive, ~1500) calls
Hero (30s WG, active TAG tonight, ~425) in HJ raises A♠ Q♣ to 40
CO (50s WG, calling station, looks like Dean Koontz, ~100) calls
I tell the button this is gonna be fun and he should call. He calls
SB calls
MP calls
Flop (~195, 5 players):
Q♥ T♦ 7♥
SB donks 21
I read this as a draw. I think he is shoving or x/shoving 2p+
MP calls
Hero? (~385 behind)
There are a ton of draws, and I don't want to allow another card to come for this price. Normally I am happy to play for stacks with TPTK and SPR~2 especially vs this table... but is that suicide 5 ways on this board?
My reads on how they respond to a raise:
CO (~60 left) will call wide
BTN (~370 left) will call with any flush or combo draw, and may raise or shove with 2p+
SB (~185 left) will call if getting the right odds for a strong draw, probably folding mediocre draws
MP (covers) is the wildcard. I don't understand his game except I believe he plays too passively. He could call with better or worse hands
Are you raising, and if so, to what sizing? Are you ever flatting or raise/folding here?
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Put a hundred on top/GII
You can just jam here right? You have $385 and there is $240 in the pot. Raising smaller seems really messy and just calling the $21 donk seems ridiculous as well.
On paper this looks like a great spot. Sucks if you ran into a better hand but I wouldn't sweat it. Sounds like you play in a high variance game.
It's Friday. You have wide callers at the table. Raise more on your 3bet. $60. Take down the $18 or get things to the point where you only have 1 or 2.
This is a go for it or be a nit spot. There's some sets out there. Some random 2 pairs. There's a LOT of draws. You could raise to, say $150 to charge draws and fold if the board goes bad or just jam here. You might run into it but if folks are on straight or flush draws then you can get value. 5 way post though can have you talking. into it.
Thanks yall. I did not consider flatting at the time, just unsure of the raise size and if I need a raise/fold range. Finding my multiway thresholds is a big area of improvement for me. I'll post results in a little
Does board texture play a role here, or are we stacking off due to SPR and villain profiles alone? Like say:
Q♥ T♦ 8♥ - flopped straight possible
Q♥ T♥ 7♥ - flopped flush possible
Do you play the same on these?
Am I the only one who had to Google what Dean Koontz looks like?
PRE - I like the raise to 40, except that my gut tells me you knew this was a splashy loose table, and we could have gotten away with going bigger, to $45-$50.
FLOP - Raise. All day. At least to $120, if not $150.
Board texture does play a part, when it's a loose game. The more made hands our opponents could have flopped, the more defensively I'd play it.
Maybe I've just read too many paperback thrillers. Thanks for the feedback all
Results:
Spoiler
Hero raises to 150
Button (who I will call V because I messed up positions in the OP, he must have been in the blinds) calls and then checks dark
Turn (~535)
Q♥ T♦ 7♥ J♥
Worst card in the deck vs a chasing V... I check back
River (~535)
Q♥ T♦ 7♥ J♥ A♥
V shoves 220
I tank and try to find a call for the price but can't, fold
He shows K♥ 6♥
Does board texture play a role here, or are we stacking off due to SPR and villain profiles alone? Like say:
Q♥ T♦ 8♥ - flopped straight possible
Q♥ T♥ 7♥ - flopped flush possible
Do you play the same on these?
Flush possibilities have a big effect on stackoff ranges. It's still close with such a small SPR though.
Straight possibilities don't affect your stackoff range that much unless there are 4 to a straight, it's a rundown board, or someone could make a straight with offsuit broadway cards. (Flops with 3 to a straight have a huge affect on strategies for reasons that aren't pertinent here.)
This board is dangerously close to giving straights to offsuit broadways, so you'd have to ask yourself whether these villains are going to show up with J9o.
It could also matter if enough money is being poured in postflop that the 4-8 extra combos are a bigger deal proportional to the size of each players' range, which could happen even a low SPR pot if, say, you raise, someone jams, and other players cold call.
Maybe I've just read too many paperback thrillers. Thanks for the feedback all
Results:
Spoiler
Hero raises to 150
Button (who I will call V because I messed up positions in the OP, he must have been in the blinds) calls and then checks dark
Turn (~535)
Q♥ T♦ 7♥ J♥
Worst card in the deck vs a chasing V... I check back
River (~535)
Q♥ T♦ 7♥ J♥ A♥
V shoves 220
I tank and try to find a call for the price but can't, fold
He shows K♥ 6♥
Just a bad run-out. I think you played it fine.
I'm ok with preflop; I actually have very specific conditions that need to be met in order to consider raising the HJ but they are both met here (a Button straddle and stacks such that a raise will comfortably commit us postflop HU).
I think I just jam the flop. Certainly a high variance spot but with these relatively small (to pot) stacks behind, a very drawy board, very few set / two pear combos, and most getting horrendous preflop odds, I think I just sigh go with it.
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