2/5: Is cbetting 0.33p OOP vs LAGS a mistake because they float ATC?

a) no. If you have no fold equity (meaning he never folds) then AQo is well ahead of his calling range. Which would mean 3betting is for value

b) no. 1/3 pot seems good

c) no. You have plenty of hands with A/K/Q of spades that make way more sense to use to barrel

Preflop is fine, if quite large.

Flop is fine. I’m also fine with betting 1/2p+ and betting less often on this board.

I’d be fine with a turn barrel some (probably relatively small) percent of the time. You can’t just blast off with every A or spade OOP on a board that’s bad for you though.

Is the 8x PF just standard or is it exploitative because this V never folds to 3 bet?

I mean, youre telling me he floats ATC on the flop after you 3 bet to 8x, and presumably youre also saying he will then bet the turn after you check? If you also made it huge pre because he calls with atc, why not call the turn? I mean its not the most fun thing to stack off with A high, but if you dont havr the stomach for it, why bloat the pot to the point that you cant handle a single bet of heat?

One thing you can do to exploit these types of players is to 3 bet with lower pairs and low SC type hands. They think boards that come reasonably low are “theirs” because you play high cards and they play junk. So i play something like 66, and if the board comes AK9 i cbet and they fold, and if it comes. 862 i cbet and they float, and i check raise turn. You can just cold call pre with AQ to call him down with A high.

There was a raise and 3 calls, so the 8x was not that huge. The result was getting it HU, which may or may not be good for you.

Personally, I would usually not 3! this hand OOP and if I did would not have gone so large.

Cbet 1/3 pot and check/fold turn does seem like giving away chips to a lag reg. There is also a good chance he was ahead with a pp or J or had a draw. You could barrel or even checkraise the turn if you think he is FOS.

Ah i whiffed on seeing the 3 callers.

Preflop is good especially if Villain LAG opens too wide pre and extra especially if the callers are flatting him too wide.

1/3 pot cbet here is fine.

I like the ISO-3B pre.

On flop, OOP, I think I just check the flop, and see what he does. Check raise if he bets small. Fold to a 3B.

As played, we're in no-man's land c-betting 1/3 pot on flop, getting called, and seeing the flush come in on the turn. Nothing to do but check-fold.

you missed the fact V opened UTG , We are not way ahead of an UTG open range
with 3 callers we have to raise big if we are raising and 300 bigs deep this is ok
I would rather raise or fold than call oop here facing 4 players
if we are only c-betting 33% of the time than why pick here to do so?

He means 33% of the pot, not 33% of the time.

Preflop looks fine although Villain being UTG would raise an eyebrow for me.

The decision point is the flop. What you need to decide here is if you bet the flop, will that bet be the last bet you put in unimproved? If so, then with your read I check flop. If the bet doesn't take it down 25% of the time, which your read says it won't, then give up now.

Vernon makes a good point - if we're going to one-and-done post-flop, we may as well check this board texture, where V isn't likely to have connected very well, but a LAG reg is likely to float us pretty wide, because we're also unlikely to connect with much here when we 3B pre. Other than JJ or the NFD, we're pretty capped at 1P.

Speaking as a recovering LAG reg - I used to open way too wide from EP, call too wide when I got 3B from a player in the blinds, and then float too wide when that player c-bet on board textures like this, just planning to steal the pot as soon as my opponent slowed down. This hand reminds me a lot of some pots I took down with AsTx or 66 in spots exactly like this, just seizing on the least sign of my opponent being weak.

Conversely, I think this flop is excellent to x/r as the pre-flop 3B'er vs a UTG open from a LAG. He's not going to have 2P+ when he opens UTG and calls a 3B from the SB, but he will have a lot of whiffs that will bluff when checked to. With no spade in our hand, just two overs and a BDSD, I think we win a lot more often by x/r'ing than c-betting, especially if we're just going to be giving up on the turn when the LAG calls flop.

You don't need him to fold the flop 25% of the time to make 1/3 pot the best option

Even if he doesn't fold >25% of the time you can make up for it later in the hand.

There are a bunch of turns that you can keep barrelling or improve ls your hand (A, K, Q, 5, 2, non spade T)

Also for future hands when you have top of range the LAG will be much more likely to call down if you're always putting money in the pot

You can't make up for it later in the hand if you have planned to give up when called.

If you don't plan to give up when called, that's a different debate.

Why would you plan to give up on the good turns tho? That's not a winning mental approach to poker.

Use all the info you can as it becomes available thru the hand

Regardless of whether and on how many turns you plan to barrel, you shouldn't muck your cards when villain calls.

I forgot to mention, V checked his cards before betting turn.. I feel that skews him towards tons of medium PPs that he was checking for a spade.. he even asked me how much I have before calling pre..

Does anyone feel like I should be triple barreling vs that range a ton even on this card?

You didn't forget it. It's in your OP.

Checking cards on a flushing board can mean different things in different contexts. Like, if the flop comes out monotone, or even just two-tone, and you see opponents reflexively checking their cards, before anyone has acted, that's very often a suit-check.

But if there's action, then an opponent checks his cards, and then he bets, that's often a nut-check. He doesn't necessarily need to be bluffing. He might be betting AJo, looking to see which one of his cards might have been a spade, or confirming he turned a straight with A4s.

I wouldn't put too much stock in V asking how much you have before calling pre. In this instance, it doesn't appear you were deep enough for him to go set-mining with some low-middling PP.

I'll often confirm how much an opponent has before calling a raise, just so I know how much they had to start the hand, so I'm cognizant of potential awkward SPR situations which may arise post-flop.

I don't think this is a good spot to barrel. V opened UTG, which should mean a strong range, and called a fairly large 3B. Then he check-called your 1/3 pot c-bet.

We're going to have lots of better hands to c-bet and continue barreling here - over-pairs, TPTK, top set, maybe occasionally middle set, some decent combo-draws, some NFD's, etc.

Even if we don't have thick value or a good draw, we could have better blockers. Barreling with AQ with the As would make more sense than barreling this board with AdQh. Even AQ with the Qs would be decent, blocking V's combos of QJss.

That's why some of us are saying it doesn't make sense to c-bet this flop if we're planning to give up and check-fold on a lot of turns. I'd rather check-raise from the blinds with our specific combo, un-blocking all V's flush draw combos that will likely bet-fold.

If we check-raise flop, V will be more likely to fold than if we just c-bet 1/3 pot. We're supposed to have some check-raise give-ups on the turn, so if the turn is a brick, we can barrel, but if not, we can check-fold.

I don’t really want to play AQo out of absolute position against 4 or 5 other people. There are a lot of RIO problems with 1 pair. I think there’s a case to be made that folding is better than calling preflop.

If I were in this spot I think I would either 3bet just as you did but then check/fold flop, or I’d fold preflop if I had some kind of read that made me not want to 3bet.

This is why we want to have better blockers.

You might be surprised how often he folds to a check raise though. I wouldn't expect him to fold AJss, but when he opens UTG and flat calls a 3B, he shouldn't have too many good NFD combos. AKss might get 4B pre at some frequency, so it's mostly AQss and AJss that he might 3B jam over our check raise.