I don't play a lot of Hold'Em, but...
This line is bad no matter what he has right?
I think eff stacks were like 100B. Villain had more and i had 100, IDK about the other one or two guys in the hand.
Villain seems reasonable enough. There might have been a limper, IDK, villain raises to like 5 or 6 X in mid to late position. I call with TT, btn calls & one of the blinds call. We are four way to a 9s7s 4 or 5x flop (in other words two spades and I forget if the 3rd card was a four or a five).
Check to me and I bet like half pot or something. BTN folds, BB calls, villain CRs big, like a little more than a PSB.
I didn't want to fold bc I think my hand is underrepresented and villain's line doesn't make sense. I did however fold.
I think AKss, AQss, etc, maybe AA & KK could play this way. But I think its bad for the pairs and probably not good for his PF cbetting range not to lead the flop. IDK if I am over thinking it given the opponents, but it stuck with me. I don't think its complete air and if that is true, then we are probably flipping or behind. I guess, let him reverse implied odds himself all day and get him next time.
I guess he could have 99 or 77, but again, its a pretty fishy line for his Cbetting range then.
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I think it's a good fold. My usual expectation from the overpairs is for them to blast flop originally, like 80%+ pot, but a check/raise is reasonably likely to happen too. As you mention, there's not really going be absolute air from villain, his bluffs will be equity hands like FDs that have 1-2 overcards. So the assessment is we are drawing to 2 outs when behind, probably a coinflip when ahead.
As for whether the line is bad...Assuming 100BB deep and he has a hand like a set/overpair, I think it performs well in a lot of live low-stakes games. People stab flops like this so light that I like this check/raise. It definitely falters against people that are decent at hand-reading like you were in this case, but those players are few and far between.
He's OOP multiway on a board that favours the field callers; checking all his hands here would be perfectly reasonable. Your bet is fine. Now he's announcing he has an overpair or better, or a strong draw. The BB hasn't gone away yet either. You have little chance of improving. Folding seems fine.
3bet preflop if you don't like multiway spots like this (and who does).
It's definitely not bad to have a x/squeeze range here, no. PSR is overkill, but I think people who need to have a think about their game are the ones who, when they check, are only doing so for pot control and, when they continue to a bet and call, are only doing so with an overcall.
I dont see anything wrong with his play. You dont have much FE on the flop, so you can check your draws rarher than semi bluff them, and then can put some monsters like 99 in your range with them.
The issue with TT specifically is it blocks some of his potential bluffs, JT T8. I think itd be a poor play with AA KK.
You can call here potentially but its v dependent and youve even hidden the stakes so i dont know wtf im supposed to do on that front.
I think it’s bad bc it weakens his flop Cbetting range & he has reverse implied odds against pretty much any hand that continues.
Don't go blasting into 974tt OOP in a multiway pot with weak hands and you'll be fine.
Since you did not reraise PF, I don't think you bet the 10s here otf, you still have position on the pfr, take a free card and see what develops ott.
