$25----->25k Bankroll Challenge on Ignition

I think you mean GTO fundamentals in the bolded, but they aren't relevant vs fish.

Thanks for the support! Shout out to New England.

Yeah I'm wrong about the reason, at most it would be a minor reason not the major reason.

I don't think it's nearly as bad as a solver is saying though but think turn xr will be better.

Yeah great point about sizing's, almost everyone goes too big which makes our EV go up with a short stack.

These two statements are fundamentally incorrect. You are correct in saying that you want to VPIP a **** tonne of hands by overlimping but you still want to split between a limp/RFI strategy in fishy live games. If I have KQs, I want to iso large because fish heads going to stick in 8bb pre with Q8o K2s etc. You want to bloat the pot with a linear construction pre because fish don't fold post once they flop pairs at shallow SPRs (i.e after u 8bb iso) whereas when you limp you keep pots small with combos that are absolutely crushing their limp calls. In addition to this, you don't face limp raises so ur thinner valuebets/linear combos pre don't get re-denied. By all means though, if you have ur Q2s otb and 4 fish limp its way more +EV to overlimp then fold so that's a good adjustment. Something that is also key in those games is that fish have no idea about how you're splitting your RFI/limp strategy so you can always be as unbalanced as you want with your construction

The second statement about being short stacked is more +EV is also incorrect purely from the compounding effects of mistakes in relation to stack depth. For eg, if a fish stacks for 50bb, which in this example is your effective stack, at worst his error can be 0-50bb. However, if a fish stacks off and you are 200bb deep well now he can make anywhere from a 0-200bbEV error vs your strategy. The only way that playing deep WOULDN'T be more +EV would be if you as the professional were making more mistakes deep than the fish and creating massive leaks by doing something spewy for infy amount of bbs. I think the allure behind that shortstack strategy is the simplicity in execution, you're short so strategy is much easier to execute with high accuracy whereas when you're deep you can quite easily make a 100-200bb error which otherwise wouldn't be possible short.

I don't know MDA tendencies and honestly I don't really care about MDA tendencies - just because you have the MDA doesn't mean you have the "right" answer.

Also the fact that you are buying in for $100 at a 1/2 table is pretty sad ngl. I don't care what is higher EV I'm not gonna sit there with $100 when I'm playing with idiots.

I'd be really surprised if you'd yield a higher hourly playing with a 100$ stack versus 500$ against whales

I've heard two different schools of thought to this, online I definitely raise linearly but that's because it is 6max. Live is 9max and limping ranges are stronger so we should be more passive. The problem with raising linearly vs shorter stacks is we get put into tough spots when they jam.

The second part is assuming the fish aren't deep stack, if the fish are deep than we want to cover them but most fish bust out before they get deeper. We will always make more money vs a fish with a 50bb stack than with a 200bb stack if the fish is 50bb effective.

If the whales are $500 deeper we top off to $500.

Well that's why your red line looks like it fell off a cliff and you have a sub 5 bb win rate. It's not a coincidence. You're just not that good.

I know I play 1/2 live and buyin for $100 and play 10nl online, I don't know what I'm talking about.

This is an awful lot of smack talk for someone in your position.

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Good luck

I definitely think op's llsnl strat wins more than minwage easily. I don't think it's max ev strat at llsnl, but everyone has their own idea what max ev strat is so who knows.

That said, OP should probably not hard call anyone out, and especially not before posting any kind of substantial winning sample above micros. Respect in poker comes mainly from results + longevity, not from conviction.

feel free to lay out prop bet terms, i may take you up on it

would need to be a trivial amount because this would be an honor system situation and if we wagered actual monies then there is a pretty big conflict of interest in self reporting

I've never seen anyone be crippled so badly by SSNL disease as hard as OP

I'd rather be bad than busto, but that's just me 😃

In response, I don't think doing what you are doing is +ev at all. Its not GTO to ISO raise limpers and then go for value with our range in Live Poker. That is the bread and butter of being a winning live player. Also, you didn't mention rake at all? Bart Hanson goes into depth about players should get to 2/5 as fast as possible because of the rake trap that is 1/2. That doesn't even factor in that you advocate for the short buy strat which makes it even more impossible to beat the rake. Obviously you are doing something wrong if you are so stuck on your "theory" being right. Wish you well either way and I will continue to enjoy and follow the challenge.

I think you are putting too much weight into what live pros teach you and assuming that because someone has a big following that they understand what they are talking about.

Bart Hanson is talking about California poker in his example though because it's a $6 rake drop OTF regardless of the pot size. He isn't talking about the rake structure I play at which is $1 for every $10 into the pot.

I'm going to continue with this thread because I think it helps people and I won't let a few negative comments deter me. I think a lot of lurkers and posters find this thread educational or at the very least it gives them something to think about it.

See you guys soon.

you realize that's 10% of all pots right?

No it's not.

It's $1 every $10 up to $50. It's only 10% if it is $50 or less. If it's over $50 the rake is less than 10%.

Mohegan Sun has the best rake structure in New England for cash games.

Tragically it is 10% up to $60 as of somewhat recently :(

Still, better than just about everywhere else (Foxwoods also raised its rake) and with good comps/rakeback.

Oh thanks I didn't realize that. Plus the bad beat right so it's $7 total?

That's right. The $1 for the BBJ also funds occasional high hand promos which are obviously easier to hit.

I miss when my card room did BBJ's. They do high hands now which I've won a few of, but the allure of winning a huge jackpot is way more appealing. Even if the chances were slim to none.

Most of the CFP guys aren't crushing even though they're given good MDA, and most of the big winners at 1k+ haven't looked at MDA

On the other hand I don't know of any successful pure GTO bots, and most humans who try to replicate a solver fail miserably and are too nitty

Clearly you're not close-minded since most 200nl regs wouldn't take the stuff Sklansky is saying seriously, so I really don't get the disrespect towards a guy with great results

well that's very different from $1 for every $10