Israel/Palestine thread
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Has every ship attacked been carrying weapons to Israel? How can they know which ones are doing so?
This is really for anyone, not just Victor.
The main one that made headlines was carrying fertilizer.
Houthis claim any ship belonging to, or trading with, UK, USA or Israel is a part of the war. I'm not sure what Victor's definition is.
Trolly: there were multiple points. The point I made and that you quoted stands on its own.
I'll let this drop, but all I (politely) asked in the first place was for you to clarify what the point was supposed to be.
meanwhile,
Looks like Hamas will have one less supporter in the US Congress: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/25/nyreg...
Literally anyone who opposes AIPAC gets tarred as a supporter of Hamas. Completely unhinged ****.
Only fools openly take position in this...
You get no vaseline, if you do, regardless of which site you take.
Only fools openly take position in this...
You get no vaseline, if you do, regardless of which site you take.
is this a reference to Bowman?
his position was foolish. just like AOC he is trying to triangulate a "plausible genocide" which results in both sides hating him.
it is pretty rediculous to call a guy who supports and endorses #genocideJoe, votes for Iron Dome funding, criticizes anti-genocide student protesters a Hamas supporter.
Looks like Hamas will have one less supporter in the US Congress: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/25/nyreg...
I have said before that the lack of cohesion in the Democratic party on the question of Israel and Palestine was a political vulnerability. The primary between Bowman and Latimer really put that lack of cohesion under the microscope. It's a very worrisome problem for Biden and almost certainly impossible to solve.
Golda Meir once said "When Arabs love their children more than they hate us we will have peace"
How super-saiyan racist do you have to be to blithely assert that Arabs don't love their children? Fully dehumanizing nonsense that just gets tossed around as 20,000 children go missing in Gaza.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/num...
(in b4 someone tells me ABC News is Hamas)
Literally anyone who opposes AIPAC gets tarred as a supporter of Hamas. Completely unhinged ****.
Even J Street disavowed him. Bowman is just an antisemite. He chose to run for reelection on a platform of antisemitism in a district where antisemitism doesn't play and it cost him his seat. I am sure there are districts where such positions play better. Just not his.
How super-saiyan racist do you have to be to blithely assert that Arabs don't love their children? Fully dehumanizing nonsense that just gets tossed around as 20,000 children go missing in Gaza.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/num...
(in b4 someone tells me ABC News is Hamas)
If your kids are being murdered because you're holding hostages, most people would at least consider giving up the hostages.
Not sure when I'll find the time today, but there's a really interesting document floating around on the Day After. It's 30 pages that academics put together that assemble off what was learned from Germany, Japan, Iraq (Isis) and Afghanistan. What HAS to be in place to effectively move on from a radicalized violent group being in control of a territory, and moving into the next phase.
It's super interesting, but I don't want to rush the discussion on it either. I'll summarize it later. but to my knowledge Israel is going to use a lot of it. And yes it includes 2-state, but AFTER a bunch of other things. They definitely took a purely academic approach, and not at all a partisan/political one (the authors of the doc).
Even J Street disavowed him. Bowman is just an antisemite. He chose to run for reelection on a platform of antisemitism in a district where antisemitism doesn't play and it cost him his seat. I am sure there are districts where such positions play better. Just not his.
yeah i'm sure that's why aipac dumped 15 million dollars into the most expensive primary ever and didnt mention antisemitism in their ads.
words have lost meanings.
And more generally Bowman's brand of progressivism is a set of incoherent, dysfunctional luxury beliefs. And the electorate realized this and started voting progressives out long before 10/7 and their fixation on evil Jewish money. It is an ideology of unserious people and policies. And this is very serious times.
Progressivism is the ideology of summer, and winter is coming.
yeah i'm sure that's why aipac dumped 15 million dollars into the most expensive primary ever and didnt mention antisemitism in their ads.
words have lost meanings.
You can talk about dirty Jewish money all you want, while being completely agnostic towards all the horrible **** people like Hamas, Houthis and Iran are up to.
But even Jews that are highly critical of AIPAC, Israel and especially Netanyahu disavowed Bowman. And willingness to completely obfuscate this indicates a very disturbing bias IMO.
All indications are Bowman is just a Hamas supporter. And like the 1930s with Nazis, there are plenty of Hamas supporters in the US. They march down the streets of the US all the time, proudly proclaiming their allegiances. It just didn't play great in his district at this time. That's all.
You can talk about dirty Jewish money all you want, while being completely agnostic towards all the horrible **** people like Hamas, Houthis and Iran are up to.
But even Jews that are highly critical of AIPAC, Israel and especially Netanyahu disavowed Bowman. And willingness to completely obfuscate this indicates a very disturbing bias IMO.
All indications are Bowman is just a Hamas supporter. And like the 1930s with Nazis, there are plenty of Hamas supporters in the US. They march down the s
there are no indications that bowman is a hamas supporter. that's just lunacy. just because you dont agree wiht people doesn't make them hamas. lol. the biggest complaint against him was that he said he didn't think that intentional mass rapes report on oct 7 were real, and he hasn't been proven incorrect on that.
he lost because he became vulnerable due to his district being redistricted to be less diverse, and then aipac specifically recruited and bankrolled a candidate to go after him to be more beneficial towards a foreign nation.
eta- and that's totally fine and legal in the USA#1. and we should be concerned about that, whether it's Russia, China, Israel, or England buying the elections.
he lost because he became vulnerable due to his district being redistricted to be less diverse, and then aipac specifically recruited and bankrolled a candidate to go after him to be more beneficial towards a foreign nation.
eta- and that's totally fine and legal in the USA#1. and we should be concerned about that, whether it's Russia, China, Israel, or England buying the elections.
If it really is that easy for foreign nations to buy American elections, that is all the more reason to support Israel.
If the choice is Israel or anti Western authoritarian states that are actively trying to undermine Western civilization like China, Russia, Qatar; I'll take Israel 100 times out of 100.
Not sure when I'll find the time today, but there's a really interesting document floating around on the Day After. It's 30 pages that academics put together that assemble off what was learned from Germany, Japan, Iraq (Isis) and Afghanistan. What HAS to be in place to effectively move on from a radicalized violent group being in control of a territory, and moving into the next phase.
Ah cool, the Neocon think-tank dipshits who got us into Afghanistan/Iraq and learned absolutely nothing have a scholarly article on their exciting plans for Gaza.
Yes. The offer from Hamas was and still is Israel lays down its arms and the West gives Hamas blank checks to rebuild, and then and only then will Hamas start digging around and start looking for Jewish body parts.
And then when Hamas is sufficiently rebuilt at a time of their choosing they will attack again and restart the conquest of Israel for the Ummah.
I have said before that the lack of cohesion in the Democratic party on the question of Israel and Palestine was a political vulnerability. The primary between Bowman and Latimer really put that lack of cohesion under the microscope. It's a very worrisome problem for Biden and almost certainly impossible to solve.
The fundamental problem is that the vocal minority of the Democratic coalition openly supports Islamism. And in an election where Islamists are going wild through the world kidnapping, killing, creating mayhem and chanting death to the US; and the progressive wing of the Democrat party more or less supports it; this is obviously going to be problematic for Biden in a general election.
no Id say the problem is that the Dems dont support the Resistance and are supporting the atrocities in Gaza
