Flopped Straight - Line Check

Flopped Straight - Line Check

1/2 Thursday afternoon local card room. Room is dead - H started at first table of the day was full of better players/OMC and H moves to the new table that has opened up

H has been at the table for about 2 hours, covers table, but table is competent no real droolers

V in this hand is late 30s early 40s white V with tattoo sleeves. Has mentioned that he plays in the room and seems like a decent, average player, nothing to say he is OOL/spazzy.

OTTH -

H has 600
V has about 350ish

H is in LP and after several limps including V in MP I limp as well with 45dd (could see myself opening a lot of the time but decided against it for no particular reason)

Flop (12ish)
6h7h3d

All x including V until another player in MP +1 bets 5, I raise to 20, V cold calls 20, donker folds.

I suspect a cold 3 bet call from V to be a strongish range most likely hearts, maybe a slow played set, over pairs, maybe A7 etc.

Turn (57ish)
6h7h3dJd

V x, H bets out 45, V tank calls - again I'm sizing up here because I think V has a strong range, once he calls I put him on two pair, overpairs, and hearts. I discount sets now that there is two flush draws and no xr has come through

River (145ish)
6h7h3dJd7c

V x, H bets out for 100

Thoughts?

Follow up questions

1. WWYD if V had led out for about 100 on the river?
2. WWYD if V xr jamed on river?
3. What are we targeting on river?

27 June 2024 at 08:55 PM
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I would fold before raising, but limping is fine.

I think it was played fine, but since the board paired I might bet alil less there (not because I'm scared but the board pairing could scare him off).


Fold pre
Bigger ott
Jam yourself as played


Limping low SC is a huge leak. Youre begging to get stacked by Axs in trips over trips and flush over flush spots

Bigger otf, maybe $25.

Good bit bigger ott. Id probably go $75/80. As played i think 100 otr is fine only because the board paired, otherwise id probably go bigger.


1 call
2 fold
3 Jhh, maybe some 88 99 possibly A7 75 maybe 7dd


by OmahaDonk k

1 call
2 fold
3 Jhh, maybe some 88 99 possibly A7 75 maybe 7dd

Yes.

If he check-jams the river, he's got a boat. People will slow play sets until the river if there's a high hand promotion.....even on draw heavy boards. 76 would be a boat, too.


This turn is a great place to overbet the pot, 2 flush draw, also we haz str8.


by Buster65 k

This turn is a great place to overbet the pot, 2 flush draw, also we haz str8.

So usually we bet the turn big when the turn card either isnt dynamic, or its a card that hits our range hard (such as a K overcard for the PFR/cbettor). Its not necessarily just about denying equity from draws (but that is part of it), its also about putting marginal made hands that call the flop like 7x in hell.

Im not entirely sure if Jx is as good for our range as Kx to be honest. It might not be so maybe 75% sizing is better.

Edit: looked it up and its basically splitting between 75% and 130% leaning towards 75%, so this is a tweener turn. If a totally offsuit J came off OTT, it would lean towards 130%, so its the opposite of what you said, at least theoretically.


Mostly Jonathan Little likes overbetting boards with 2 flush draws ott, I would not do this automatically, but flopped straights are a hand I like to pile it in, so I would choose the 130% size here.

Edit: I think it's fine to go 75% with an overpair, for example.


PRE - raise. Don't limp.

FLOP - raise is good. I might size up a little, to $25, but $20 is probably fine.

V isn't check-calling 2P/sets in a limped pot. This is TP, a draw, or 1P plus a draw.

TURN - it's a brick. I'm over-betting here, around 1.3x pot.

RIVER - good bet, to target his 7x for value. Doubtful he'll call with worse, and he might even raise.

1. I'd mostly flat call a $100 donk from a competent V.

2. As played, I might find a nitty fold if he donk jammed. What are his bluffs, and what worse value would he play that way, when we could easily have 76 or another boat with 66/33, or 54?

3. V might have donked with his missed draws and boats, and he's not calling with his missed draws, so we're just targeting 7x for value, and maybe some other 1P holding that got sticky, like 6x or 55/44, but it would be awesome if he folds 54.


by Buster65 k

Mostly Jonathan Little likes overbetting boards with 2 flush draws ott, I would not do this automatically, but flopped straights are a hand I like to pile it in, so I would choose the 130% size here.

Edit: I think it's fine to go 75% with an overpair, for example.

A lot of people go bigger the wetter the board, but gto mostly does the exact opposite of that. Remember, the larger the size you use, typically, the less often and less polarized you bet, so by choosing 75% sizing on this board it allows you to protect/get value from weaker made hands… theoretically.

This seems like a turn that has a substantial ev gain by having 2 sizes, but thats hard to implement.


by Tomark k

A lot of people go bigger the wetter the board, but gto mostly does the exact opposite of that. Remember, the larger the size you use, typically, the less often and less polarized you bet, so by choosing 75% sizing on this board it allows you to protect/get value from weaker made hands… theoretically.

This seems like a turn that has a substantial ev gain by having 2 sizes, but thats hard to implement.

I don’t necessarily have a dog in this fight but I think it’s really important to recognize that GTO play assumes that people will play well. When your opponents aren’t playing like GTO says, everything changes.

For example, if we are up against an opponent who we know will raise a lot of front-door flush draws on the flop, then denying equity to those draws on the turn is less important. On the other hand, if our opponent plays so passively that they can have any draw, including any combo draw, then denying implied odds on the turn is likely to be more important. These factors likely affect our bet sizing.


Im just saying, if you bet 130% pot ott are you going to do that with 77-TT or A6 or AJ or KJ or QJ or JT or semibluff with A5? My suspicion is that youre splitting your bet sizes in a way that makes your hand strength predictable via your sizings, which could exploitatively be just fine, BUT if you were to choose a single sizing, to be harder to read, id be somewhat more inclined to go 75% on double flush.

As far as exploitability, a passive player who has all the draws probably isnt capable of bluffing, so betting 75% pot vs a hand with 20% equity and no IO (due to the fact you can just fold when he whiffs) or even reverse IO (because maybe he calls when an ace peels and hits his ace high FD) is a much better outcome than him folding.

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