4D chess-tier block bet or results oriented luck suck?

4D chess-tier block bet or results oriented luck suck?

1/3 NLHE 8 handed.

Game is fantastic with several people stuck and rebuying for the max and then punting it. People 3-betting to 12x opens. Cold opens to 50$ or more. Every draw is being chased. Limped pots are going 5-ways, 15$ in there, dangerous flops, people cold betting 200$ into 15$ and other people calling. Stacks are almost all over 1k with several 2-4k stacks.

V - older asian man I've seen before but don't remember much about his game. He's stuck and just losing his mind monkey tilting. He currently has 500$ and just rebought. Hero covers from the UTG.

HH w/ V - H sees AsAc in UTG opens 10, MP LJ and HJ call, V goes 250$ from CO, BTN SB BB fold, H *just* calls (not sure about this, other stacks ~2k eff with H, V only has 400 total), all else fold, V blind shoves remaining 150, H blind calls. V has ATo and runout is Q-8-3-4-T.

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H sees A Q and opens 10 UTG, folds to V who makes it 40 off a stack of 500$ (unusually small for him), H just calls OOP. HU.

Flop 80 - Q T 9

H checks, V bets 90, H calls

Turn 260 - K

H checks, V checks

River 260 - J

H bets 75...

02 July 2024 at 02:37 AM
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4 bet pre.
Ck/raise the flop.


by iraisetoomuch k

4 bet pre.
Ck/raise the flop.

This, though I would consider making the 4 bet a jam against a gambling villain like this.


Curious to know the reasoning for opening $10 here. Is the usual open $15? Are we opening smaller to induce action?

PRE - I could go either way between flatting the 3B and 4B'ing, given his stack depth and tilt level. It would suck to get stacks in pre and see that this time, he has it. It would also suck to 4B to $160 and fold to a 5B jam, if we can find a fold for this V.

FLOP - facing a slight over-bet, flat call seems best on this board. A raise can only get called by better.

TURN - check in flow seems fine.

RIVER - hmmmm... are we block betting to induce a spaz jam? I dunno. Even a guy on monkey tilt will eventually see he can't win through sheer aggression. What are you hoping he'll think we have here? Would you ever bet 2P or a set like this? This bet size seems a little too cute.

It's a disaster if he flat calls with worse. I think I might just jam and pray he thinks we're FOS, and calls off with anything. I'm mostly expecting to chop with Ax. If he folds, I might just show him the Q, or claim we had 77, hoping to keep his tilt going.


I'm really awesum at these games as a shortstack. As a deeper stack, not so much, and it is out of my comfort zone.

I just limp in.

Shortstacked I'd feel pretty comfortable playing for it all preflop against this guy. But deeper not so much, especially if we're worried about the enticing sizing. In general, highly doubt flatting non-monsters OOP is profitable against most... but is this guy an exception?

Not exactly loving life on the flop but I guess we can't fold to one bet now that we're here?

Also checking (to fold) the turn.

Against a guy monkey tilting who could easily feel entitled with a big (but second best) hand here, I think I shove the river.

GcluelessNLnoobG


I would say check > shove >>> small bet to induce. Depends on how much of this player's tilt is calling too much vs. betting too much. Generally you want to give over-aggro players room to be too aggressive. On this river that would mean checking and letting them try to push you off a chop. The small bet to induce is the worst option though: too FPSy without a more specific read.


I hate flatting pre to him especially from OOP. Vs someone as wide as him and because he's tilted, 4bet pre (he probably 3bet alil smaller because you raised UTG).


Result:

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V raises to 300, H jams, V folds angry


by docvail k

Curious to know the reasoning for opening $10 here. Is the usual open $15? Are we opening smaller to induce action?

PRE - I could go either way between flatting the 3B and 4B'ing, given his stack depth and tilt level. It would suck to get stacks in pre and see that this time, he has it. It would also suck to 4B to $160 and fold to a 5B jam, if we can find a fold for this V.

FLOP - facing a slight over-bet, flat call seems best on this board. A raise can only get called by better.

TURN - check in fl

If V is checking back turn on QT9Kr, he's not on monkey-tilt.

From your HH, why not shove river then? Totally different vibe from when OMC does it.

Glad you got some rage raising out of V.


by Stupidbanana k

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V raises to 300, H jams, V folds angry

It was less than a 100 for him to call if I'm reading stacks right????


I can only assume you're shoving for value?
If that's true then not raising the flop is criminal imo.


by Stupidbanana k

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V raises to 300, H jams, V folds angry

This is why I almost always jam.


Missed that river made you a straight.


by hitchens97 k

It was less than a 100 for him to call if I'm reading stacks right????

If I'm doing the math right it was $70 more for him to call.

Don't ask me to guess what he was doing or thinking. I can't explain.


by hitchens97 k

It was less than a 100 for him to call if I'm reading stacks right????

yes


Later he said he had KK but no idea if it was true


by Nh,gg. k

If V is checking back turn on QT9Kr, he's not on monkey-tilt.

From your HH, why not shove river then? Totally different vibe from when OMC does it.

Glad you got some rage raising out of V.

Are you asking me? I'm not the OP.

I actually did suggest jamming the river.


by Stupidbanana k

Later he said he had KK but no idea if it was true

Hold up...he raised you to 4x on the river, and folded for another $75, and then claimed he had KK??? When he's playing the board, and loses to any ace?

That's ridonkulous.


I like the call pre. He made a stupid raise size one time with a bad hand. Now he makes a normalish (slightly large in position) 3bet. I think his range is uncapped here.

Postflop is well played.

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