KK vs 33 I think I did a misstep on the turn
It was a late night/early morning 5-5 NLH with min buyin $300 with a max buyin of $1k.
We were playing a short table with 4 players. I had the 2nd biggest chip stack about $2.3k.
Action start off with utg($1250) raising to $30 and I raised to $130 on the btn with KsKc. BB ($2.6k) and UTG called. Flop was 4s 4d 3d.
Action checks to me and I bet $260. BB and UTG quickly calls behind. Turn was Jh.
Pot is $1,175.
BB checks, UTG made a comment (Let's see what happens) and bet $300. I tanked for 30 seconds and shove for my remaining stack of $1.9k. BB snap calls and UTG folded. River was a 6c.
I show my kings for 2 pairs and BB shows pocket 3's for a full house.
My thinking was the UTG was trying to do test bet to see where he was at with the Jack turn and BB might be on a draw. I wanted to protect my hand from draws and I decided to jam.
Was my thinking wrong? Any advice is appreciated.
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(You played it terribly, btw)
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Fold river
What can you do, gotta lose that money
Daily reminder to stay hydrated
Oh sorry!
No problem. Here is the place to get trolled (99% of the time), or maybe get a pat on the back.
Ouch, the speech.
The speech = the nuts.
protecting your hand only makes sense when you are sure you are vs a draw. but you know that.
Dont post results when you post a hand here, you reveal later.
Preflop is fine, although do you 3 bet bluff or are you only ever 3 betting with TT+ AK (or even tighter)? If the latter, youre turning your hand face up when you RR. This allows players to set mine against you because they know youll just lose your stack when they hit.
Flop, usually you go 1/3 to half pot, id go smaller with a pair, even though its one youre not especially worried about. So id proabbly just bet $130 again.
As played, im not super worried about 2 calls. I think lots of players just cold call 55+ due to having an overpair, especially 88-QQ type hands. Could have 67 or 78 (less likely) or diamonds of course. I wouldnt expect BB or UTG to have 33 or 44. UTG might have it but some players fold it and others play it. BB almost never cold calls a 3 bet with 33-44.
Setting aside the tell for a moment, i understand your perspective that donking 1/3 pot on the turn could be “setting your price” on a draw. I think the most likely situation is either that or a weak made hand, but I cant really put him on one other than exactly QQ. I dont think TT or lower donks the turn here. I like the shove, but I think the most likely outcome of a shove is it just folds everything, which is FINE. I also dont hate calling in the hopes BB comes along with their weak made hands, and that someone might make a dumb river call.
The speech usually means the nuts. Id be putting him on likely having exactly JJ. Would mostly just lean me towards a call over a shove, because if he shoves the river hes got it.
Also since i already know results, i wanna point out to those who say speech = nuts thst the guy who gave a speech actually did fold to the shove, the BB cold called a 3 bet eith 33, no way idve put him on that.
I agree with most of what Tomark wrote.
Just a couple of further remarks.
I'd like a 2/3 pot cbet better if we were HU; 3-way that looks a bit too big.
Ott, especially with BB still to act, I would just call, since both UTG and (especially) BB could have JJ in this spot.
By shoving, you are getting in a stack of 460bb total with just one overpair: in general, it would be nice to have some reads on both villains before doing that.
For example, in this specific case, BB flatting the 3bet preflop with 33 this deep seems ridiculous to me. Nonetheless, is BB the type of fish who calls too wide pre but tightens up postflop, or is he just a calling station all the way? In other words, what do you think BB would do here with AA, QQ, TT, or a draw ?
Flop c-bet is too big. Make it 1/3 pot or a little less.
Don't need to jam turn. Better to just raise the donk to like 3x, and see what happens. If BB or UTG come back over the top, we're just always beat, and we can fold.
Alternatively, when UTG makes his speech, we can flat call and see what happens. UTG shouldn't have much of this board, other than maybe JJ, AJ, or AXdd. We're crushed by JJ, but don't mind letting him draw somewhat slim with AJ or AXdd. Maybe we min-click it, just to make sure we keep the betting lead going to the river.
When we bet huge on the flop, and they both call, it's a bad sign. BB especially could be sand bagging something big here.
