Las Vegas Poker Player Vlogs
Gobbo other Thread got closed by the mod said it doesn't belong in the House of Blogs, hoping we can have this one without Trooper talk.
This thread is to discuss local professional poker players on their journey. Please refrain from mentioning the local youtube celebrity who plays poker.
Links to their youtube channels
Andrew Neeme
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLTP4Ns...
PokerKraut
https://www.youtube.com/user/Pokerkraut
Tappan
https://www.youtube.com/user/tappanmoore
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Update April 2018
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You mean the 18:30 mark right, the JJ hand?
I also don't get why some "pros" are tied into a specific location. OF COURSE, there is a TON of action in Vegas.
If you are truly going to be a pro, why not get a van/suv and outfit it for traveling? Something that you could easily spend a night or two in if you are on the road OR rooms are expensive? You can also get a membership at one of the national gyms and use that to take showers.
Of course, most of the time you stay in discounted rooms.
If you are a poker pro, you could also learn to p
Agreed. You could write off the $100k converted van as a business expense. Or If you're doing your taxes correctly, it's a $200k expense.
I applaud pman for permanently leaving. Hope he keeps up with the vlogging, as he seems to like doing it. But until he actually either spends significant time learning or just significant time playing, he will be viewed as a joke, even if he somehow binks another good cash. I hope he stays away. But I'm not holding my breath
I think a more interesting question which involves more players is how are these people playing poker "full time". I mean I won't mention names, but you have a hendon mob of like $1.2 million over 16 years and you are a supposed full time tournament poker player that just doesnt add up. I have $750k of DFS winnings over only about 4 years and I'm almost homeless. And that is with a ROI of 18% and not doing anything crazy money-wise.I know for damn sure these cats arent making 18% ROI as a tournament poker player. It just doesnt add up. Most of these vloggers are just blowing through tens of thousands of dollars every year in tourny entry fees with nothing to show for it. What kind of economy is that? Seems like it's broke to me. You'd have to be an absolute moron to invest in any of these guys.
Professional Tournament Poker Player is a mirage.
If you're not playing majority cash games throughout the year or have gotten a 7 figure bink keeping you afloat, 99.999% of tourney players are not making money long term playing in only tourneys.
I do say that there are probably a handful of players on insane anomaly heaters that could have had multiple 7 figure scores that are probably fine but outside of that it just doesn't make sense how anyone can sustain a life of being a full time tournament player.
Anyone that appears successful is either making money from sponsorships or money is coming from somewhere else as the math just doesn't add up.
I think a more interesting question which involves more players is how are these people playing poker "full time". I mean I won't mention names, but you have a hendon mob of like $1.2 million over 16 years and you are a supposed full time tournament poker player that just doesnt add up. I have $750k of DFS winnings over only about 4 years and I'm almost homeless. And that is with a ROI of 18% and not doing anything crazy money-wise.I know for damn sure these cats arent making 18% ROI as a tou
The math doesn't math for a ton of these tournament "pros". They're all just hoping to luck out and hit a huge score.And randomly some will and many will blow the money when they finally do.
I mean yes there are a few wizards out there but most of these people are this point are studying similar material,none are that much better than hundreds of other grinders and a few bink big scores and keep the other ones on the hamster wheel.
I mean you have tons of people selling action for 1500 dollar wsop events that have been at it for a decade or longer grinding tons of events a year. Where is the money?
At least some of the vloggers have money coming in from that. Most of these guys have nothing coming in on the side,have expenses to travel and play the events and even if they have a 30 percent ROI there isn't much room for profit. Keep in mind even at your 18 percent DFS ROI that's basically pure profit.
kind of hard to believe that anyone who did even basic study of the game never heard of the place
i know plenty who never bothered to check it out
many others who never made an account and occasionally lurk a strat thread/news/pg&c but don't come regularly and obv never post
plenty who made an account but never did anything with it or just use it to lurk
plenty who know of it but never check it out/use simply because their english is not very good
but i have never once met a competent player who didn't know about its existence - while the majority of the players at a table do not know of this place, they are neither studied nor talented
coach diesel and trooper know of this place ffs
kind of hard to believe that anyone who did even basic study of the game never heard of the place
i know plenty who never bothered to check it out
many others who never made an account and occasionally lurk a strat thread/news/pg&c but don't come regularly and obv never post
plenty who made an account but never did anything with it or just use it to lurk
plenty who know of it but never check it out/use simply because their english is not very good
but i have never once met a competent player who didn
Good chance however that they know of Mr. Beast.
Professional Tournament Poker Player is a mirage.
If you're not playing majority cash games throughout the year or have gotten a 7 figure bink keeping you afloat, 99.999% of tourney players are not making money long term playing in only tourneys.
I do say that there are probably a handful of players on insane anomaly heaters that could have had multiple 7 figure scores that are probably fine but outside of that it just doesn't make sense how anyone can sustain a life of being a full time tournam
Couldnt agree more, tourny regs are the worst, and its all a mirage like you say. Its a game of getting backed, trying to bink, then running up make up with a backer then bouncing to another backer, you dont even have to be a winning player to make a living from this. Id call it the maurice hawkins method, you can call it what you want. The ones that arent doing that, are basically living off a bink until they cant anymore, all while flexing on all the other miserable tourny regs at every stop. The only tourny players ive ever seen actually make it and be successful, are ones who have other sources of income, or people who were high level cash game players who then either play tournaments sporadically like ryan fee, or they play very high stakes small field stuff and do well because they are ahead of the curve at the moment. In all my years of being in poker, thats the only way ive ever seen it work. Every other example is someone who is pretending to be a pro, or living off of savings or a bink until it ran out.
Thats why its so funny when a confirmed loser like allen kessler who doesnt make money from poker, flexes on people who have less hendon mob winnings than him
The best tourny player story i have is when a guy who is number 1 of his states all time winnings, and at the time had the most wsop circuit rings, went through a massage therapist to ask me if i would back them for live 1-2 which requires literally like a 2k BR.
Professional Tournament Poker Player is a mirage.
If you're not playing majority cash games throughout the year or have gotten a 7 figure bink keeping you afloat, 99.999% of tourney players are not making money long term playing in only tourneys.
I do say that there are probably a handful of players on insane anomaly heaters that could have had multiple 7 figure scores that are probably fine but outside of that it just doesn't make sense how anyone can sustain a life of being a full time tournam
I disagree. Even in Vegas, there are dailies that pay well enough to support a good tourney pro. Way back when I used to frequent the Venetian I would see a handful of guys in their tournaments that were fixtures on tv poker shows. The dailies at my local San Jose room had top prizes that were $3k to $5k and the same names appeared over and over in the top 10.
Professional Tournament Poker Player is a mirage.
If you're not playing majority cash games throughout the year or have gotten a 7 figure bink keeping you afloat, 99.999% of tourney players are not making money long term playing in only tourneys.
I do say that there are probably a handful of players on insane anomaly heaters that could have had multiple 7 figure scores that are probably fine but outside of that it just doesn't make sense how anyone can sustain a life of being a full time tournam
You are 100% correct and it amazes me how many players don’t understand this or haven’t figured it out yet.
It’s a great hobby and an awful job.
Feels like part of the tourney hustle is just binking some results so you can sell at a big markup.
Joey Weissman seems like a super crusher and I'm not saying he's doing anything wrong, but I noticed that he has sold a lot of stuff at very high mark-up.
If you can get to that level then maybe you can really make it work as a profession. Selling action insulates players from risk.
By and large, I think the smartest players are people like Pius Heinz who bink huge and take their money out of the ecosystem.
If by some miracle I ever hit a monster score, I would not be jumping into $25ks to battle Ike and Stevie. Peak of pride and hubris.
I'd put most of it in concrete assets and just play $1ks for fun.
Agreed. You could write off the $100k converted van as a business expense. Or If you're doing your taxes correctly, it's a $200k expense.
I hate to break it to you but although you can attempt to do it, you simply cannot correctly live in a van, drive it around and play poker, and legitimately “write it off” as a business expense. If you do, just dont get caught.
Couldnt agree more, tourny regs are the worst, and its all a mirage like you say. Its a game of getting backed, trying to bink, then running up make up with a backer then bouncing to another backer, you dont even have to be a winning player to make a living from this. Id call it the maurice hawkins method, you can call it what you want. The ones that arent doing that, are basically living off a bink until they cant anymore, all while flexing on all the other miserable tourny regs at every sto
This is why Pman has "focused" on tourneys now. I mean just look at how Pman tried to parlay his one decent score last year into selling a full WSOP package this year and finding a backer to fund it all. Luckily the backer got smart and bailed.
The worst part is he's selling this pipe dream to his dad so he can mooch off him for a few more years. "Hey dad, I won $50k in a tourney last year. Just wait till I focus fully on tourneys. I will be making six figures a year soon. The grind starts now!"
This is the reason why pman can't win in poker
This is the reason why pman can't win in poker
So what happens when he loses the $1000? Challenge over? Who figures out their hourly for tourneys anyways?
ROFL. Played poker for a little over two hours a few days ago. Needs a break already. But don't worry, after this latest break, the grind to $100k starts now!!!!!!!
