Off the rails OOP vs LAG

obv shove, max value./s

I don't play a ton live so take my advice with a grain of salt. I'd bet flop small, probably 15. Ap id definitely x/call turn. And probably x/call river. Ap idk what to do on the river after x/raising turn. Maybe small bet/fold. Idk and it might not matter because I don't think we should get here like this.

Shorthanded games are most definitely not in my wheelhouse.

Unless we can raise an amount preflop which sets us up for comfortable commitment postflop with TP, I don't see why we'd intentionally bloat a pot OOP to a player than can be difficult. So with this stack size I'd either open to like $30 - $35 (to comfortably commit postflop with TP) or just limp in (prolly to reraise a Button raise, otherwise fine with playing a small pot OOP).

I'm fine with the flop check OOP against a aggro player.

Also cool with a turn check to induce again / not get blown off our outs if behind. I think check/raising is way overplaying though; I just call and attempt to get to showdown with an underrepped hand on a not great board for a reasonable price while not involving stacks.

As played, overall looks more like a busted draw so I'd probably check. Might have to grit our teeth and call a bet for stacks though, which is gross and why I'm not a fan of overplaying turn.

GcluelessshorthandedOOPtoLAGnoobG

Agreed. I was trying to 'mix it up' with some good players

I can get behind check/call flop given OOP against a LAG, though I personally like a bet.

Turn raise is serious WTF since this is an awful card for you even if it gives you a gutshot, since the board completely smashes his range. Is this for value or a bluff btw?

As for now, who the **** knows. I guess check and soul read.

Go home Banana. You're drunk.

Do anything but fold river, even with assumed tight image. V has way more Ad or Qd/Jd hands than Tx hands IMO.
Check seems best by far, to me, but who knows.

There's some chance he has QJ!dd and is like WTF on turn, but probably not going to bet after this turn action anyway. Maybe T9 or even JdTx/KT.
Saying that there's not many QdX hands we beat on the river.

Eh the more I think about it the less sure I am, but then lol I never do the turn action.

Vs. a LAG on a draw heavy board I’d just default to fast playing the flop. If you size up to $25 pre you end up with a slightly smaller 6x SPR vs. the 7.5x you have now which makes it that much easier to pot commit with an equity advantage if it goes bet/raise on the flop.

There’s not much to go on the LAG read, but I assume he has some reasonable 3bet range so the fact that he just calls pre would lead me to believe TP2K is going to be ahead on the flop vs. most of his range.

But the board is too wet and your hand is currently strong but not going to improve further (and your lack of ♦’s gives him many more combos), so I’d want to get value now with a bet and a good idea what I’ll do if he decides to raise flop.

As played, the runout isn’t great and the line was weird so I don’t have much to offer on the river as it’s not even clear whether a jam could be construed as a bluff or value after he calls turn.

Result:

I think my mistake was realizing I needed to fast play it, but rather than take a bet-bet-bet type line I wanted to take a x/r x/r x/r type line and on such a wet board with TP2K that's just suicide.

Yeah, you didn't need to turn your hand into a bluff (a nice way of saying fps/button pressing) but I do commend you for posting a lot of your train wreck hands though ; ).

I would be cbetting here not only for value but it's also easier to narrow down the villain's range on later streets as well.

I'm a big proponent of having a strong checking range OOP. But in this situation I disagree with checking the flop. Not only is this a dynamic flop with your hand quite vulnerable and needing protection; vs this V type (LAG) it seems mandatory.

LAGS are depending on you to provide information. I usually play "backwards" (checking vs betting, calling vs raising) to provide them just that, misinformation. In this situation I'm happy taking the pot down right now. I'm betting pot. I know this is a highly exploitable line. But vs a LAG in a game that just started up; IMO it's the best line.

In general, my baseline postflop path is determined by SPR and I only deviate if I have good reasons to do so.

Here the SPR is 7.5. In general, I simply have no desire to stack off with TP HU at this SPR, especially as the aggressor (there is more reason to as the passive caller due to keeping our opponent's range wider, but still not my preference). We gave our opponent rather decent ~23:1 IO preflop to attempt to stack us and in position to boot. That is just too good of IO (resulting in too high an SPR) to want to play for stacks postflop with just TP (especially on sucky runouts). Which is why I have no issues with our initial two checks, but then we really lost the plot, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Even though turn is weird, we def. losing a bunch here no matter what we do...

Like if we bet pot on the flop V is never folding his hand, and "pot flop; x/f turn" against LAG would be weird in the other direction.

If turn was non-diamond we can maybe get folds/value with like: pot flop; shove turn ... but that's also getting into FPS with our hand.

Also given V checked back flop I would reconsider LAG label. Could just be a calling station pre.

you realize the turn is probably the worst card in the deck for you except maybe an ace right? whatever your plan was on the flop, the turn needs to change it because of how many hands IP catches up with - there's 3 straights, a bunch of flushes, and t9 / t8 / kt. he probably has almost all of these even as offsuit combos as near pure defends in some manner given hes closing the action after straddling the button. especially when he pots the turn nearly i dont know why you would perceive this as some kind of depolarized range and raise KQ as opposed to c/c

ive said this a few times but you seem to lose your mind in hands with people you perceive as good or lag. would imagine its some kind of ego thing, afraid of getting outplayed or something blah blah

This was the problem. I felt like OOP there was no good way to play this hand. I have a decently strong hand for HU OTF but it gets worse and worse... and I can't just be check folding every time it goes like this. So what do I do with hands like AQ KQ AA KK QQ here. Just try to play defense and pot control? check call flop and turn maybe and check fold river...

Yeh, I mean there's a bunch of ways you can play it and you have to lose money ... you just don't have to lose all of the money.

You could c-bet flop, check-call turn, and check-fold river.

Or you could check-call flop, check-call turn, and check-fold river.

Checking flop and check-raisimg turn, and jamming river is some straight kamikaze $h1t.

I respect the cojones, but if you put 'em on the chopping block too often, eventually someone's gonna show up with the cutlery.