Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
the moderation policy of the i/p thread is very clear. anyone in any doubt about it should feel free to PM me, and i will spell it out for you
you can either accept that policy and continue to post (as i do), or you can reject it and stop posting as rafiki, mets and gs have largely done. i respect their decision
my view, strongly held, is that you shouldn't post in it if you plan to quarrel with the moderation policy, because it's not going to change and you'll just end up mad
The I/P thread is way overly moderated. This is a very emotionally charged topic and yet you have to walk on egg shells. Are people really that offended when someone says something bad about their team? It's a shame you can't point out something that is true just because it hurts someone's feelings. They should just shut down the thread or get someone to run it who understands that there is not gonna be a Kumbaya moment anytime soon.
I'll probably be staying away until there is a change.
See, this is the type of obvious antisemitism that I would immediately moderate without question, but Dunyain is on the pro-Israel team, so it’s hard to know if moderating it as the antisemitic comment that it is would be welcomed or just another reason to complain about my “obvious bias”.
Maybe Rafiki can tell me.
Why aren't people allowed to have opinions? If this is how he feels what is the issue?
I think the answer to your question is do nothing.
The I/P thread is way overly moderated. This is a very emotionally charged topic and yet you have to walk on egg shells. Are people really that offended when someone says something bad about their team? It's a shame you can't point out something that is true just because it hurts someone's feelings. They should just shut down the thread or get someone to run it who understands that there is not gonna be a Kumbaya moment anytime soon.
I'll probably be staying away until there is a change.
It’s tightly moderated because *both* sides asked for very narrow definitions and were accusing each other of racist posting and racist intentions. Multiple times the rules have been tightened *by request*.
Also, you cannot post in that thread until you respond to the PM, as was discussed.
Why aren't people allowed to have opinions? If this is how he feels what is the issue?
I think the answer to your question is do nothing.
Are you asking me why it’s unacceptable for someone to post “Jews play the victim card too much”?
Aren’t you one of the supposed people I chased away from the thread for allegedly being antisemitic? 🙄
Folks, we’re done here lol
HERE.... is the reason for the "harsh" ban. Little time-outs have no effect on some people.
Yes, rafiki, cn has been accused of exactly this.
The I/P issue is one that has been going on for decades. It is unsolvable in the near future. rafikik, you know this by posting this:
Wouldn't it be nice if LB's sentiment here could be intertwined in every response?
Gentlemen, I agree with the ban of mets. Much like my ban of Victor, a Lifetime Achievement Award IS acceptable as the reason. A ban is almo
was mets' posting outside of i/p thread a problem
hemorrBOIDS (I have been dying to do that!..... alas, never a great opportunity so I took the shot)
His User Notes are littered with "problems"
i/p has weird special rules and happens to be moderated by someone that has a strange vendetta against him
just tell him he's not welcome in that thread. way better than permabanning a guy with fifty million posts over two decades
Are you asking me why it’s unacceptable for someone to post “Jews play the victim card too much”?
Aren’t you one of the supposed people I chased away from the thread for allegedly being antisemitic? 🙄
Folks, we’re done here lol
As a rational adult I realize that him saying "Jews play the victim card too much" doesn't mean he believes every Jew plays the victim card. Also, if this is what he thinks why is it an issue? Are there really people in here who are so offended that they have to contact you? Our society is becoming more and more emotionally fragile. I foresee a future with a lot of fake neurotic people.
I'm staying away from the I/P thread because the moderation is out of control and I don't want to get a ban when I spend most of my time in other threads. Also, I fee that authentic conversation is stifled. I respect that you all have your way of doing things and I will just stay away.
When he gets to 50,000,0000......
Tell him to stay out would be anti-(whateverism) and he would revolt.
If he returns, he can be reinstated with a P&S ban, not a specific P&S thread.
Mongidig, from my notes it appears your timeouts in that thread have mostly been for violating the racist and bigoted posting rule. I’m sorry not all of your “opinions” are acceptable for that thread, but the rule will not be changing.
when is the ban over
crossnerd sentenced him to death. i dunno who was on the firing squad
He sure knows how to push... BUTTONS
I’m not sure what you’re asking for, but I’m the only one who can revoke the ban at this time, and it’s over when Mets has demonstrated what I have already said in this thread- that he understands what the rules are, how he is violating them, and understands now that it needs to stop. The requests are over.
I'm sure he'll be back. Wasn't that already like his 10th account or something? All those links he posted to old posts he claimed were supporting him (although they weren't lol) had him starting and posting in various threads under all different names.
I checked out his twitter after he got banned. He posted a link to the ATF thread calling it the single most important thread in forum history or something. Sort of funny but also sort of sad at the same time.
II’m the only one who can revoke the ban at this time, and it’s over when Mets has demonstrated what I have already said in this thread- that he understands what the rules are, how he is violating them, and understands now that it needs to stop.
technical question: how does this work if he's banned? can he still pm you despite the ban? is there some other mechanism in place for him (or anyone who's banned) to demonstrate any of this?
