2024 World Series of Poker May 28th to July 17th ***No Spoilers***

The last truly bad player to win the Main Event was Jerry Yang 2007.

30% ROI on tournaments is pretty common for good players, there's been tons of people who've gotten good sample size on this and came to the same conclusion. Backers with big stables, online pros who multitable a massive # of tournaments, etc. It's why grinding live tournaments sucks as a career unless you get lucky and bink a huge one in your first year and quit poker or get backed/sponsored to enter all your events after that. It's why the best players mostly play cash games and only show up for the prestige events. In the main event your 30% ROI comes over a minimum of 4 days to cash, so your expected hourly is dust when you calculate it out. Even if you gift the best 20 players an ROI of 100% it is still bad compared to what they could make in a cash game.

A $5/$10 shitreg can still expect to net their same ROI in the main event over the same amount of play and never have to put $10k in play at one point in time. A top 20 player who can play in a $100/$200 sidegame during the main is going to have a way better hourly.

People NEVER look like that when they actually have a decision. After looking like that, if people have a bad hand, they realize they have given a tell about the weak strength of their hand and fold 99% of the time. Looking like that and then calling is 99% of the time a nutty hand.

But yea, it works against level 1 players.

I tried this but accidentally applied it with my index finger instead of ring finger and now my eyes look like ****ing ****.

This is true. I know it’s not really possible anymore with the how much the field size has grown but when the Day 7 was strictly 27 down to 9, it was always the most epic day of the poker calendar.

But the last few years they’ve had to stop Day 6 with like 35 or more left reducing the elite feel of Day 7 a tad and also making it very hard to get to 9 in one day. Which is why they had to add in a Day 8 last year and this year. Last year’s playing from 15 down to 9 on Day 8 just didn’t hit the same.

Its supposed to be a sport. They should bring back longer days. Who cares if they play for 16 hours - thats poker.

Also, breaking up the play too many times during the last stage of the tournament allows nerd pros to bring together their friends and analyze the **** out of the table based on the stack sizes of the players, making their edge over less studied and analytical players even bigger than it already is. A lot of people definitely already do this with people on the rail plugging ranges into different solvers and feeding GTO ICM ranges back to their friend on the table during the breaks, but the lack of longer days makes the advantage from this even bigger because more rest = easier to apply this in practice.

At least they stopped the moronic "november 9" that only meant everyone would study the table to death and come into the FT with refined strategies - even recs as pros would approach them for coaching deals.

So is Dwan out?

Yes. Busted v Graftekkel Set v top pair + FD

It’s always heartwarming to see scammers like Ian O’Hara going deep in the main.

+1 for longer days at the later stages.

Main event should test poker endurance also. 10h of play per day but the last day or two could be a lot longer. Then final table play from 10 to 2 in one sitting no matter how long it takes. Heads up the next day coming in fresh.

by deuceblocker k

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Player Accused of Angle Shooting in WSOP Main Event; Another Player Penalized

Has this been posted. Button raises, BB turns J2o face up. Button mucks. BB claims he didn't fold. Floor is called, who awards pot to BB. Another player at the table argues about it to tournament staff and is given a one round penalty.

What is it with these joker tournament staffs? Floor involved in this should be fired. Why do they always side with the angle shooter, as with Men stealing chips?

Yeah I posted it too.

Tbh, if you muck your cards before the chips are pushed, that's an error, but this ruling seems entirely inconsistent with the Negranau situation a couple weeks back when button mucked before Daniel acted and button got to keep his raise because the rule is SUPPOSEDLY of you muck before opponent acts that's a retroactive fold. Sometimes?

Couple of Ruling spots ..

1) B raise .. SB Fold .. BB starts the card funeral but B mucks. BB getting called Angler for wanting the pot.

1A) Apparently they gave the uncalled portion of B bet to BB as well. Which is opposite of the DNegs spot .. this was wrong .. uncalled bets are returned.

2) SB tosses single silent over-chip .. Dealer says 'Call' .. BB tosses cards forward, but gets them back after UTG says he probably thought it was a raise. Flop comes out, SB bets, BB raises and takes it down. GL

McKeehen was the last ME champion eliminated.

Lots of good players and Nick Palma on that list

HYPE to watch tonkaaaa make a run. Such an easy guy to root for

Song and Mateos sitting at 1 and 2 in chips is exciting. Hopeful that one of them makes the FT. Ponokovs and Lonis making deep runs I'm also rooting for. Jonathan Little was up to 1.5M but lost every pot the last level to finish at about 500k......hopefully he can spin. Kim, Rast, Dunst also.

Players I'd like to see make a deep run (in no order):

- Brandon Cantu hasn't been relevant in over a decade. I hear he's similar to matusow in the sense that he follows and grovels around hellmuth in hopes of getting staked.

I think he's genuinely broke or been close to it for years. I would love to see a deep run by him because he wears his emotions on his sleeves, the money would mean a lot to him.

- Ivey. No explanation needed.

- Kristen Foxen, genuinely nice person and of course a female final tabling would be nice.

- Nacho Barbero - comes off as a pouting prick , would be a nice villian to root against.

- Rast - another villian (one of the biggest water wasters in all of the desert )

- Adrian Mateos - is it even a question anymore who is the best NLH live tournament player ? How does he keep doing it? Honestly with his current stack I'd be shocked if he didn't make the final 3 tables.

- Ren Lin - this may be my favorite player remaining. Fun, talkative and just seems like a joy to be around.

Players Id like to make the final table:

- Phil Ivey

- Bunch of randoms with one of them beating Ivey HU for the story of the everyman beating the pro.

Note: Adrian Mateos, while undoubtedly a great player, is the biggest live poker sunrunner since Fedor Holz glory days.

I’m hesitant to say this because they’re the best poker videos on YouTube that many people don’t watch yet BUT - Inside the Mind of a Pro regularly features Adrian Mateos. If you want to get an idea of how he (and other Team Winamax pros) thinks through hands, I highly recommend it.

poker isn't a sport.

I'm definitely not a fan of people getting perfect info an hour later to have a team or nerds being able to plug the hands into solvers but I guess the genie is out of the bottle on that one.

November 9 was absurd.

Its considered a mind sport. One of the main arguments for the legitimacy of poker as something other than just degenerate gambling.

Thanks for the tip, appreciated!

Agreed on the "best poker videos" part. And they're actually covering Mateos this year for the Main Event from the start. If/when he deeps run it, it will probably become epic content, can't wait, actually rooting for him in part because of content which will get created out of this.