View: The way to crush live nitfests nowadays games is being a good LAG or maniac
There is a player at my local casino who’s been nicknamed the Phil Ivey of our hometown. He is not a pro. He has his own business and a massive bankroll but I believe he is the biggest winner here. He doesn’t study solvers. He’s a really good “feel” player who is fearless and goes off his reads and punishes all the nit TAG pros who rely on solvers. None of the pros know what to input for his range for their solvers so they don’t know how to play against him. They tend to fold and let him take down pot after pot. Sure, occasionally they’ll lay a trap for Phil to walk into but the amount of pots Phil takes down uncontested and the times he gets paid off on an over bet shove more than makes up for it.
Some regs like playing with Phil when they can short stack and think he is a spewtard. But they always run once they chip up because they know Phil will put them to the test.
I would advocate aspiring pro poker players to learn to be like Phil instead of being a nit who relies on solvers. Study people, grow a bankroll and some balls.
Do you have a Phil in your home casino too?
solvers bluff way more than almost any human does. Being a nit is the opposite of a solver-based approach, it is an exploit that most players take due to most populations folding too little
State of poker when the first rule of being exploitative that's been known for probably centuries is described as a view
No set no bet.
always funny when I hear people saying pros rely too much on solver so they get run over
let’s see how your phil guy would fare against players like linus who “rely on solvers”
There is a player at my local casino who’s been nicknamed the Phil Ivey of our hometown. He is not a pro. He has his own business and a massive bankroll but I believe he is the biggest winner here. He doesn’t study solvers. He’s a really good “feel” player who is fearless and goes off his reads and punishes all the nit TAG pros who rely on solvers. None of the pros know what to input for his range for their solvers so they don’t know how to play against him. They tend to fold and let him take do
I wouldn’t believe anything a poker player says. If you are a crushing player that uses a solver but are perceived as a rec whale, why would you ever let people believe otherwise?
Also nit tag is definitely not solver approved.
always funny when I hear people saying pros rely too much on solver so they get run over
let’s see how your phil guy would fare against players like linus who “rely on solvers”
Yea this. Misreg nits arent "solver players", they are just nits who love talking about strategy to stroke their own dick at the table. In reality they never make balanced call downs or solver approved bluffs.
So OP, your view is "a good LAG can run over nits". Truth, but hardly a groundbreaking view.
Most aggressive players at low stakes lose big. You mentioned this Ivey was a wealthy amateur.
Playing TAG works at low stakes, because people call down too much. It is not optimum and loses big to GTO types.
It is generally better to play aggressive at a real nitfest, like if people are playing scared in tournaments. It is also good if you can represent something, and low stakes players don't suspect a bluff.
Most aggressive players at low stakes lose big. You mentioned this Ivey was a wealthy amateur.
I disagree a little with you with you here. I've been experimenting with a more aggressive approach and it's working better than the last strategy i was using.
The reality is people don't defend enough in a lot of spots and this makes you a lot of money. The only way to lose big by playing this way is by bluffing all the calling stations, which is something easy to avoid.
always funny when I hear people saying pros rely too much on solver so they get run over
let’s see how your phil guy would fare against players like linus who “rely on solvers”
There is a disconnect here.
There are a lot of players (even some who consider themselves pros) who think they are solver players, but just can't get past "basic solver strategy" (i.e. playing solver strategy without any player adjustments. Then they play at crappy games and overbluff into calling stations. Then they naturally adjust by tightening up. They start playing tighter and tighter. Eventually they just end up nut peddlers taking advantage of the tourists who overcall.
Obviously the best solver players will crush the local "Phil Iveys". That is literally by definition. However, there are lots of players who think they are good solver players (who really aren't) who get beaten up by players who naturally adjust better than they do. They aren't the typical overcalling tourists.
Solvers play like the most gangster balls to the walls madman you can imagine. Or rather you seemingly can't imagine at all since you call it nitty/boring.
Holdem? The solver is going to ****ing 4x pot cbet the flop in a single raised pot. Have fun dealing with that.
PLO? The solver has a bluff-jam range after you check/potted half your stack on the turn. Enjoy. Oh and it's gonna fold the nut flush to your straight flush 100bb deep because **** your range you don't have enough bluffs in that node and it knows it.
There is a player at my local casino who’s been nicknamed the Phil Ivey of our hometown. He is not a pro. He has his own business and a massive bankroll but I believe he is the biggest winner here. He doesn’t study solvers. He’s a really good “feel” player who is fearless and goes off his reads and punishes all the nit TAG pros who rely on solvers. None of the pros know what to input for his range for their solvers so they don’t know how to play against him. They tend to fold and let him take do
if this is not just pure fantasy, then.. the people in this game don't know the first thing about solvers.
LOL. As per usual, most have no idea what they are saying when they use the words solver, theory, and GTO.
Get all your poker buddies at a game and then let one guy sit there with GTOW open on latop.
You guys play your normal game and bring “Phil” to play his “aggressive” game.
You’ll soon find out how savage the solver really is.
State of poker when the first rule of being exploitative that's been known for probably centuries is described as a view
So OP, your view is "a good LAG can run over nits". Truth, but hardly a groundbreaking view.
Replies No. 2 and No. 5. When I saw the title, I figured the first five responses would be snark and sarcasm, then these responses would be in the next five. So better than I expected. The only thing missing from either of you was the /thread.
So I'll do it... /thread
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Most aggressive players at low stakes lose big. You mentioned this Ivey was a wealthy amateur.
Playing TAG works at low stakes, because people call down too much. It is not optimum and loses big to GTO types.
It is generally better to play aggressive at a real nitfest, like if people are playing scared in tournaments. It is also good if you can represent something, and low stakes players don't suspect a bluff.
please to clarify that the AG in TAG = Aggressive
people constantly think that TAG = nitty when it doesn't at all.
Solver based approach is exactly how you crush these todays nitfests lol.
LOL. As per usual, most have no idea what they are saying when they use the words solver, theory, and GTO.
Get all your poker buddies at a game and then let one guy sit there with GTOW open on latop.
You guys play your normal game and bring “Phil” to play his “aggressive” game.
You’ll soon find out how savage the solver really is.
Lol maybe the solver nerds at my casino are all wannabes then. I don’t use solvers, I’m just a rec but these guys are always talking about solvers but they are all nits and Phil owns their souls
Solvers play like the most gangster balls to the walls madman you can imagine. Or rather you seemingly can't imagine at all since you call it nitty/boring.
Holdem? The solver is going to ****ing 4x pot cbet the flop in a single raised pot. Have fun dealing with that.
lmao @ thinking this plo stuff is supposed to be intimidating.
Oh no I'm gonna have someone try and bluff me when I'm getting 3-1 or more on the river is this such scary stuff!
Also in the last 5 years live I've had a straight flush vs nut flush live exactly once. If by some miracle someone folded for 100 blinds it's not even a rounding error in the grand scheme of things. And if they're folding a once every 5 years hand they're folding other hands they shouldn't.
I did get someone to fold the nut flush on me vs a player scared of his own shadow I had played with for a long time when I bet a king high flush for value, he 2.5 x raised me to about 40 percent of his stack. I had one of the 2 straight flush blockers. I looked at the board kind of funny back and forth with my hand like I was double checking something unusual then stuffed it in knowing he'd only call with the Ace of the suit and the other straight flush blocker. Once I faded the snap call I knew he was gonna tank fold which is what happened.
I do agree that the vast majority of players you encounter live are not playing like a solver says even if they've studied them.
Lol maybe the solver nerds at my casino are all wannabes then. I don’t use solvers, I’m just a rec but these guys are always talking about solvers but they are all nits and Phil owns their souls
They’re live regs talking solvers at the table in what I assume is a low stake casino game… obviously they’re wannabes lmao
Lol maybe the solver nerds at my casino are all wannabes then. I don’t use solvers, I’m just a rec but these guys are always talking about solvers but they are all nits and Phil owns their souls
They are obvious shitregs. Best clue: they are talking about solvers at a poker table.
the major adjustment you make from solvers in a nitfest is just opening wider. against a table that is only 3betting top 5%, if that, you can get away with opening a lot more suited connectors/suited 1 gappers and when you get called it's by hands that can make the top pairs that pay you off when you make a hand.
