folded a full house, it was awful. any feedback would be great

folded a full house, it was awful. any feedback would be great

I'm going daft about this hand. it was the end to a big losing session for a strugging microstakes player recently getting back to the grind. any thoughts would be great. MP had a vpip of 23, 3bet of 20, 1.6 agression factor and 3bet of 14,

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3 : http://www.holdemmanager.com

BTN: $10.03 (200.6 bb)
SB: $6.06 (121.2 bb)
BB: $5.12 (102.4 bb)
Hero (UTG): $19.56 (391.2 bb)
MP: $16.56 (331.2 bb)
CO: $1.74 (34.8 bb)

SB posts $0.02, BB posts $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 3c 3s
Hero raises to $0.12, MP raises to $0.36, fold, BTN calls $0.36, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.24

Flop: ($1.15, 3 players) 3d 8s 8c
Hero checks, MP bets $0.54, fold, Hero calls $0.54

Turn: ($2.23, 2 players) 9s
Hero checks, MP bets $0.71, Hero raises to $1.96, MP calls $1.25

River: ($6.15, 2 players) Kd
Hero bets $2.95, MP raises to $13.70 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results: $12.05 pot ($0.50 rake)
Final Board: 3d 8s 8c 9s Kd

MP wins $11.55

17 July 2024 at 11:59 PM
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The best feedback for someone posting something like this is to not focus on this type of hand.


by Brokenstars k

The best feedback for someone posting something like this is to not focus on this type of hand.

I've never really gotten to into the forums, which is probably a leak. What kind of posts are more engaging? This spot probably doesn't come up that much. I'm sure I have far more regularly occurring leaks in smaller more frequent pots that cost more than this one big (big for my bank roll) hand

Thanks for the reply


by duckscassidy k

I've never really gotten to into the forums, which is probably a leak. What kind of posts are more engaging? This spot probably doesn't come up that much. I'm sure I have far more regularly occurring leaks in smaller more frequent pots that cost more than this one big (big for my bank roll) hand

Thanks for the reply

The more boring the question, the better it likely is for you to be asking.

Your fold here isn't that crazy for what it's worth.


why no checkraise on the flop?


by wereallgonnamakeit k

why no checkraise on the flop?

I thought about it but I didn't want to fold out his ace high hands, his turn bet made me believe he had an overpair, so I went for the check raise then. We had been battling a bit at that stage. I figured he would just flat my river bet with his overpairs and ace King


I think it's a good fold. A good call vs a whale or particularly aggro fish but 4.5/5 players aren't playing this way

Raise flop though . We're losing value given number of turn cards that will shut down MP's likely OP region, thus diminishing the value of setmining overall


by Ceres k

I think it's a good fold. A good call vs a whale or particularly aggro fish but 4.5/5 players aren't playing this way

Raise flop though . We're losing value given number of turn cards that will shut down MP's likely OP region, thus diminishing the value of setmining overall

Thanks. Giving the battles we were having, I should have check raised the flop aye.

Is zoom on pokerstars considered very tough? I moved back to regular speed games and am wondering why I ever played zoom. So many softer opponents in normal speed


by duckscassidy k

Thanks. Giving the battles we were having, I should have check raised the flop aye.

Is zoom on pokerstars considered very tough? I moved back to regular speed games and am wondering why I ever played zoom. So many softer opponents in normal speed

Yes.


One issue is that pokerstars rake, for regular tables, has increased at those limits not so long ago, and only zoom remains at the old values, so:

NL2: 3.5% to 5%, cap from 15bb to 50bb
NL5: 4.15% to 5%, cap still 20bb
NL10: 4.5% to 5%, cap reduced to 10bb

Playing zoom at anything NL25 and above, in my opinion, is a waste for anyone but a coach making a video for his students and trying to get into tough spots faster, if you care about $/hr.


I'm not folding losing to only really KK and maybe 99or 89s. people do weird stuff.


33 is a fine open in a soft table but a fold otherwise, on this river villain has almost no bluff here and no 8 in his range, 99 KK is very likely here.


by franklymydearirais k

I'm not folding losing to only really KK and maybe 99or 89s. people do weird stuff.

Depends on villain, vs a super aggro is a clear call, but without info how many hands you beat right now?


by franklymydearirais k

I'm not folding losing to only really KK and maybe 99or 89s. people do weird stuff.

I couldn't find neither the call nor the fold button. It timed out. I went into the tank, I boiled the kettle, I spent some quality time in the tank, mostly crying, then it was over ��

I then left the tank and logged into twoplustwo for the first time in years. I'm only just getting back into the grind and I really missed it


I think it's a call on the micro's.
Alot of folk blast their whole stack in with AK or aces, (even seen weaker a couple of times).


AP I think the fold is ok, but a flop check raise followed by a turn and river bet might have made it an easy call. AP you need about 32% wins to call the river jam. Playing it fast would both increase the pot and decrease villainÂ’s jam size (assuming he plays it out the same way), making your needed win percentage significantly smaller.

Moral of this hand - DONÂ’T SLOWPLAY! Well, that isnÂ’t 100% true, but most of us talk ourselves into slow playing much too often. Yes, when you flop a big hand and your opponent folds, it sucks. But in the long run we make more money by just fast playing our value hands.


This should be your EP range: 77+, A2s+, K8s+, Q9s+, JTs, T9s, 87s, ATo+, KTo+, QJo
33s are fold pre.

as played, im just not folding vs a 23/20 with 14% 3B. if he has 88,99 or KK then nh. A 14% 3B ( which i assume is mostly comprised of re-steals from blinds) his mp 3b vs ep range has only 4 combos of 8x. 87s. i also dont have history with villain and if hes passive then shows up with jams maybe your right to fold.

either way though if your just getting back into it then as someone else said these arent the hands you should be worried about anyway, BU v BB in single raised pot, SB v CO in 3B pot ( with hero in all positions) are realistically where you should be studying. you will be in those spot significantly more often then EP v MP 3B. Alot of posters like to post based on their specific hand : AA,KK, AK or their absolute hand strength : ie flop bottom boat like this hand. You have to think too that this is such a minuscule portion of your range in a very small % spot of your overall game. Another thing is this is the 3rd nuts for you. ( you 4b KK pre) so you only have 9s full or quads. ever. But you have alot of hands that you can happily fold here. TT-QQ, Axss not including the hands that fold flop outright.


by duckscassidy k

I thought about it but I didn't want to fold out his ace high hands, his turn bet made me believe he had an overpair, so I went for the check raise then. We had been battling a bit at that stage. I figured he would just flat my river bet with his overpairs and ace King

Bad way to think about things. You shouldn't be overly concerned about a tiny part of your opponents entire range. As to you your question I'm not folding that river but I've seen worse folds


look into ur stats for a better picture of how to play vs skilled players

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