LeBron > Jordan GOAT Super AIDS Containment, solved #22999 post by Matt R. (addendum #23174)
Very impressed with the minute sequence where LeBron clearly lost the ball headed to the rim, heat got the ball anyway and scored, then he elbows his defender in the chin, drawing a defensive foul and stern talking to from the official and hitting a 3.
It's these ref assisted 5 point swings in close games that truly bring out the best in great players.
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The thread that will go on for years..........
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Nash simply got too much credit for the Suns' turnaround in 2005, when it's clear that the Suns' turned it around after getting rid of cancer Marbury just like the 23' Lakers bounced back after getting rid of cancer Westbrick.. Additionally, Amare went from nothing in 04' to the next big thing in 05' (37 ppg vs Duncan in Playoffs and led Suns statistically all year).. Accordingly, Nash was always a fraudulent MVP - the point that illustrates this is that even Lebron isn't genius enough to win MVP with only 15 ppg.. It takes white dudes like Jokic, Dirk or Nash to be valued for IQ and therefore win with low PPG.. or the most uniquely-charismatic black player ever (Magic).. Carry on
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2011 was a negative ring
2012 Lockout season vs babies, while bron was excused for his 07' Finals because he was the same age
2013 Bron brick, bosh board, Ray Allen bang…
2016 Adam Silver
2020 Exhibition bubble games where Lakers were only motivated team due to historic AD heist
This is a super sus resume if being real and utilizing context. Depending on how you score it he has maybe 2 real rings at best? If you are being critical he has -1 rings. All those asterisked and 2011 counting as a negative ring.
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Agreed, Lebron joined the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league. (They were all in the same conference as well.) Only to end up losing in the NBA Finals while being outscored by Jason Terry despite logging many more minutes. 
To put this into perspective that would be like if Michael Jordan left the bulls and joined with Hakeem Olajuwon and Charles Barkley....Only to lose in the Finals while being outscored by Byron Scott. 
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Is Lebron the 1st guy in history to have his "sidekick" or 2nd-leading scorer outplay the current league MVP??
It's important that it's the current MVP because they're the "life blood" of the team - that's why they won MVP... So only Lebron enjoyed this kind of unprecedented help where his sidekick outplays the "life blood" of the other team and most valuable player in the league.
Shouldn't a player always win in this spot?.. i.e. wouldn't Malone have easily won the 98' Finals if Stockton outplayed MVP Jordan?.. The Jazz played the Bulls to a standstill with Stockton getting destroyed by MJ, so surely they would've won with ease if Stockton outplayed MJ instead..
The Bulls are considered the best dynasty of the modern era, so they're the best team to try this scenario out on - if it works with them (it does), then it works with every scenario - it's simply impossible to lose if your sidekick outplays the current league MVP, even without considering other factors like injuries or unprecedented suspensions.
I usually root against the US in just about everything but I cannot tell you how much I want them to just roll to the basketball gold
If I were Mollusk then I'd go full fortune in on Space X.
We need to get off this planet or we are all going to die.
Humans on Mars.
Space spending can redeem you.
If I were Mollusk then I'd go full fortune in on Space X.
We need to get off this planet or we are all going to die.
Humans on Mars.
Space spending can redeem you.
Imagine a kindergarten team playing the 2024 Celtics and the kindergarten team wins because some kid stands out at halfcourt and hits 60 straight threes...
In theory, this is possible... There's a 1 in gazillion bazillion chances of it happening.
Maybe this is how the Earth is... Maybe the earth represents the 1 in gazillion trillion instances where the asteroid hit just perfectly and everything worked out perfectly, i.e. perfect temperature for humans... sufficient food, trees, greens, fertile land, etc.. Other planets don't work and aren't the one in gazillion situations that the Earth is.. So life elsewhere in the galaxy is possible, but extremely unlikely.. Even if there are other forms of life where the asteroid hit just perfectly to create another livable environment - the universe is so big that it's a gazillion light years away, and they probably lack the technology to space travel just like we do.. We won't discover each other for hundreds of years or thousands, and this assumes there is another example like Earth where the asteroid landed just perfectly to create a livable environment like Earth.. Essentially, Space X is an investment for future generations, which I guess is obvious so whatevers
Jayson “1st team all nba” Tatum is a water boy on Team USA. Literally doesn’t play.
Bron the best player on the court in every game at age 40.
Tough scene for the haters to have to face reality in the Olympics.
Jayson “1st team all nba” Tatum is a water boy on Team USA. Literally doesn’t play.
Bron the best player on the court in every game at age 40.
Tough scene for the haters to have to face reality in the Olympics.
Only a 26 point win, which confirms underperforming talent (weak brand of ball, weak strategy, weak chemistry)
The best international teams would win maybe 30 games in the NBA as 1-star teams with lottery casts at best, yet we're only winning by 26 and it will probably get less
the 92' Dream Team beat a bunch of NBA HOF's by more than that in the gold medal game and never took a timeout for the entire tournament
Modern international teams are massively better than they were in 92
Who cares .
The U.S. destroy Croatia in 92 (obv. Finished 6w-2l) , twice , that had 5 players that played some in the nba.
2024 U.S. barely beat South Sudan …
The 1992 was composed all the top players in their prime (beside bird) or entering in their prime …..28-32 years old .
Look at the 2024 lol.
Outside the USA there were 9 players with NBA experience in 92. This year there's 59. Over half the players.
And Luka isn't one of them.
Magic and Laettner were in their prime?
USA counting medals over golds. Such a LeBron thing to do.
ok if u care to count laettner as a "real" player on this team o0...
If magic wasnt still in his prime he was damn near it...
32 year old, 1 year in retirement meaning the guy that was mvp 2 the last year he played and won 3 mvp in the 4 years prior wouldnt be still in his prime because he quit 1 year ?
at 32 ?
ok....
lets get real, the dream team would crush easily that 2024 team.
that olympic 2024 team looks more like the lakers with 5 old hof that did not made the playoffs in 2022 than anything else.
and damn did they get close to fack it up ...
south sudan lol.
Outside the USA there were 9 players with NBA experience in 92. This year there's 59. Over half the players.
And Luka isn't one of them.
So 5 of those were playing on the same team where they got crush 30+ points, twice, effortlessly.
(except for MJ and pippen 😀).
And that team the US crush, won all the other games they played in.
after 1 game vs the dream team, embiid and AD would of probably end up hurts and forfeit for the rest of the tourney.
Downplaying a near 40 year old Lebron for “only” winning by 26 (spread was 13ish) against an excellent international team with the NBA’s best player in their prime by trying to compare it to the Dream Team with 29 year old MJ or whatever it was is the perfect summary of MJ stans. MJ was gambling all night in the offseason when he was LeBron’s age and had already retired twice. If LeBron played the entire 4th and the whole USA team gave maximum effort to win by 45 they’d be accused of stat-padding.
Theres no argument MJ fans can’t try and make, now it’s that the international competition was better in the early 90s than today.
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Everyone in history got ready-made stars, which means that ONLY MJ had to develop weak players/rookies to win - only the GOAT was required to "elevate teammates"
Kobe had a ready-made star in Shaq, while Magic had Kareem and Duncan had Robinson.... and Kawhi had Duncan...
Bird had ready-made FMVP's like Dennis Johnson and also Parish.. Lebron had ready-made stars like Wade, AD, Love, Bosh and Kyrie.
Accordingly, only the GOAT was required to develop weak and low-producing rookies (single-digit rookies) into meaningful producers to win.
I heard Colin Cowherd say that only Magic, Lebron and Jokic elevate teammates, but the reality is that Jordan is the only guy that grew low-producing weak players into meaningful producers on his watch - only MJ elevated teammates.. He also had teammates play near capacity (near career highs) alongside him.. This contrasts with everyone else in history that got ready-made stars and also had numerous bad fits where teammates play far below capacity alongside them.. Accordingly, only MJ truly "elevated" teammates, while everyone else got ready-made stars.
It's interesting because it's a statistical fact that Lebron's high-scoring ball-dominance reduces teammates' assists and increases their assisted rate (turns everyone into spot-up shooter), which stalls young players and therefore needs ready-made stars to win... It prevents teammate development and yielded many bad fits or teammate reduction.. Otoh, the expert jumpshooting and ball movement of Jordan and Curry produces the best chemistry, teammate growth and great chemistry/teams.
Downplaying a near 40 year old Lebron for “only” winning by 26 (spread was 13ish) against an excellent international team with the NBA’s best player in their prime by trying to compare it to the Dream Team with 29 year old MJ or whatever it was is the perfect summary of MJ stans. MJ was gambling all night in the offseason when he was LeBron’s age and had already retired twice. If LeBron played the entire 4th and the whole USA team gave maximum effort to win by 45 they’d be accused of stat-paddin
The USA doesn't "only" have NBA players - they have 3 of the top 20 players ever, and 8 more All-NBA players.
So there's no excuse for using timeouts, or for close games.. The only reason our vastly superior talent can't have an easy road is because of our weak brand of ball.
Unfortunately ,the NBA and it's players tried to copy Jordan - this made the NBA a 1-on-1 brand that has been getting destroyed ever since MJ retired in 2002-03.. We lost in 02', 04', 06', 19', 22', 23.. so we've been losing ever since the goat retired
Downplaying a near 40 year old Lebron for “only” winning by 26 (spread was 13ish) against an excellent international team with the NBA’s best player in their prime by trying to compare it to the Dream Team with 29 year old MJ or whatever it was is the perfect summary of MJ stans. MJ was gambling all night in the offseason when he was LeBron’s age and had already retired twice. If LeBron played the entire 4th and the whole USA team gave maximum effort to win by 45 they’d be accused of stat-paddin
No ones downplaying anything and we are speaking team vs team .
It’s the concept of trying to compare that 2024 team with the dream team that is lol.
Oldies vs primers with a big « S » at the end of each …
ok if u care to count laettner as a "real" player on this team o0...
If magic wasnt still in his prime he was damn near it...
32 year old, 1 year in retirement meaning the guy that was mvp 2 the last year he played and won 3 mvp in the 4 years prior wouldnt be still in his prime because he quit 1 year ?
at 32 ?
ok....
lets get real, the dream team would crush easily that 2024 team.
that olympic 2024 team looks more like the lakers with 5 old hof that did not made the playoffs in 2022 than anything els
Yes, most people who have retired are past their prime.
People realise there's an argument the best 4 players in the world are international at the moment?
People realise there's an argument the best 4 players in the world are international at the moment?
The best international team would be a crappy 1-man team in the NBA, like the 06' Lakers or something... 40 wins maybe
Otoh, a team with prime Kukoc, Petrovic, Dino Radja and Zan Tabak would not be a 1-man team and compares to the kind of comp in the current Olympics.. The original Dream Team didn't take a timeout vs this team or any team
