The liberal media and the police Killing of Sonya Massey
I didnt give much thought on the title but I wanted to see if people actually took the time to watch the police body cam footage. I mentioned the media because nobody seems to want to talk about the obvious. This cop is still locked up as far as i know and everyone seems to be villainizing him. I actually took the time to watch the video in slow motion and you can clearly see that the lady 100% intended on throwing boiling water on him. There is no dispute on that yet nobody wants to say it for fear of upsetting an all too familiar narrative. If you watch the video you will clearly see that the woman drops to floor holding only her oven mitts. The pot is sitting on the counter. The officers arm obstructs the bodycam up until the last second where you see the woman holding the pot and throwing it at the cop. I just dont understand how in the freeist country in the world not a peep is being mentioned about this. You can say well the cop should have dropped back or ran and thats a valid argument but what you dont do is pretend that this lady was innocent when it seems to be an instance of a very troubled lady choosing to die at the hands of a cop. I will try to link the video below if that is cool with mods. It's not graphic. It will be the last 5-6 seconds and you obviously need to watch it in slow motion. It is the bodycam of the cop who shoots her. You have to realize he is only about 5 feet from her and his arm blocks a good chunk of the crucial 5-6 seconds. He is lucky his arm didnt block the whole thing or he would be spending the rest of his life in prison.
I didn't dispute any of the facts of the case with you, the points I made were in relation to your posting style and attitude, and your responses to points others were making.
The fact that you'd already posted in another thread about constitutional protections getting in the way of locking people up, liberals wanting to release criminals, and then started this thread with "liberal media" gratuitously thrown into the title was more than enough information for the points I wanted to make.
Me: Hey guys holy **** check this out!!! It's only 5 seconds of video please bear with me
You: Umm I gotta pass on your 5 seconds but let me tell you about this OP person. H eposted this really kinda rigtly jab and I thought we all shoild know. K thanks Bye
OP seems to think that because he can't personally see what the cop did wrong, everyone will come round to his point of view, let him out with an apology, a blowjob, and maybe a medal, and CNN are going to break off the millienz. OP clearly lives in OP's little world.
OP too busy fixated on what lady threw at cop.
Odd example....since he lost every case that went to court and only won with an outlet that figured it was cheaper to pay off a nuisance claim than go to court.
I suppose settling for tens or hundreds of millions is just a side note "nuisance" That little **** multimillionaire lost like every friggin case.
It's not that you are crazy, It's that you are extremely committed to a premise which is rejected by people you are engaging on this. Your hardcoded premise is that IF the woman made any motion with the water towards the cops THEN they have every right to blow her brains out. I think if you can step back for a second and objectively consider this premise and it's implications to other situations then you might, if not change your stance, at least understand that positions of the overwhelming maj
My hardcoded premise is in regards to what the lady did. I'd rather focus all my attention on people taking the time to see what she did and not get sidetracked on WMD. Lets focus on the wmd pot of water and the lady that went from holding her empty hands up (empty w/ oven mits) to literally less than 2 seconds later chucking a pot of boiling water at a cop pointing a gun at her threating to blow her face off.
I probably think about things more in terms of how grave the risk actually was, and how easy it was to avoid with non-lethal means, but this a good and interesting post.
easy for you to say. Posters are saying hes like 20 feet from some old ass lady with slippery slippers on. she couldnt harm a fly even if she wanted to. Yeah easy for you to say.
easy for you to say. Posters are saying hes like 20 feet from some old ass lady with slippery slippers on. she couldnt harm a fly even if she wanted to. Yeah easy for you to say.
The funny thing about these arguments is that the highly trained, heavily armed person who does this as a full time job with infinite numbers and backup always gets the "what did you expect him to do? It was a split second decision!" Excuse.
The unarmed, outnumbered person with people pointing guns at them, who has never been in a situation like this, who is often intoxicated or mentally ill is supposed to act with total precision. "I mean, you can't reflexively pull your pants up and expect the police not to kill you."
I suppose settling for tens or hundreds of millions is just a side note "nuisance" That little **** multimillionaire lost like every friggin case.
Lol yeah. The guy who thinks this case is going to be dismissed thinks media companies settled for 10s of millions on a case that couldn't even get in front of a jury without getting thrown out.
This lawyer explains pretty well why it couldn't be a big settlement and based on his estimates was around 50k
OP, if the cop clearly acted in self defence as you believe, why do you think the grand jury returned the indictment after viewing the same footage as you did?
I watched the 5 seconds you wanted me to watch and I'm certainly not seeing what you see, in terms of her doing anything threatening with the water pot. Everything happens pretty quickly and I am finding it hard to tell exactly what is going on. Are you saying she did this before or after he drew his gun? I don't see any sudden movements on her part before he draws the gun. This is the segment Body Worn Camera 2, which you linked. If there is a better view of events, link it please.
I suppose the entire crux of your argument hinges on this fact and the problem is I too have watched it with great detail and curiosity and at no point do I suspect she's actually going to throw a pot of water at him at all. Furthermore, even if she did attempt to throw a pot of water, have you ever tried hurling 2 gallons at someone? Especially unsecured in a spot splashing around? While holding oven mitts? It just aint gonna happen. The sudden shift in inertia would probably cause you to splash yourself, and even if you did manage to get 90% of it airborne your throw would be so wildly telegraphed that the victim would easily dodge the water, or most of it anyway, whilst you'd be lucky to even clear the counter tops due to poor trajectory. Essentially you'd just make a big mess from that distance, and lets not forget that I'm speaking from the perspective of a grown man who could throw a 5 gallon Ozarka jug of I had to. This frail middle aged woman would probably end up with most of the water landing in the sink before it even cleared the counter.
Yeah, I'm really not getting where OP is "clearly" seeing that she is going to do anything. Are we watching the same video?
Lol yeah. The guy who thinks this case is going to be dismissed thinks media companies settled for 10s of millions on a case that couldn't even get in front of a jury without getting thrown out.
This lawyer explains pretty well why it couldn't be a big settlement and based on his estimates was around 50k
never going to work man. i remember arguing with people on here right when they started talking about the lawsuit and how it was probably worth 5 figures and got no where.
At what exact timestamp does she throw anything at the cop? I am struggling to make this out in the footage. Can you post a still?
Come on man. This guy thinks that CNN handed the Covington idiot 100,000,000 and that this case will be dismissed. You really think he needs reasons to believe what he does?
Come on man. This guy thinks that CNN handed the Covington idiot 100,000,000 and that this case will be dismissed. You really think he needs reasons to believe what he does?
I'd just like to see a still from the video he thinks supports his contention that she was a threat, as I'm just pretty perplexed at this point as to what he's seeing or thinks he's seeing and I'm not. I honestly can't even understand how anyone can watch that video and come to the conclusion that she was any sort of threat, even if you think cops can do no wrong or whatever.
What if someone was coming at you with boiling oil?
We can shoot them?
Are you asking me? I'm not seeing from the video that she's coming at anyone with anything, can someone post a still of this?
I'd certainly be more sympathetic to using lethal force against someone who poses an actual threat than against someone who poses an imagined threat. I'd hope that even OP agrees with that scalding hot take.
I haven't seen the video so it's purely hypothetical. People are saying that boiling water isn't a sufficient threat. I'm wondering if those people are willing to change their tune if we up it to boiling oil.
I haven't seen the video so it's purely hypothetical. People are saying that boiling water isn't a sufficient threat. I'm wondering if those people are willing to change their tune if we up it to boiling oil.
It's not just the fact that it's boiling water, it's the distance. It really doesn't look like she poses any threat at all to me when he pulls his gun. OP will have us believe that the distance appears misleading in the video, but he can save his camera angle foreshortening arguments for the pictures he sends his girlfriend.
What if youre at a gas station and someone grabs the pump and begins hosing you down while holding an unlit zippo lighter, can we shoot them? I mean yeah, if someone had a giant Chinese Wok filled with boiling oil cocked and ready at the shoulder for a double armed overhead swing and were within 5 feet of me sure I'll shoot them. If some old lady who called me for assistance has a pot of boiling water sitting on the stove and says "in the name of Jesus I rebuke you" while im giving her some attitude and then cowers on the floor when I point a gun at her, then no I'm not shooting her.
Should have gone with a pot of boiling oats for the throwback reference
The funny thing about these arguments is that the highly trained, heavily armed person who does this as a full time job with infinite numbers and backup always gets the "what did you expect him to do? It was a split second decision!" Excuse.
The unarmed, outnumbered person with people pointing guns at them, who has never been in a situation like this, who is often intoxicated or mentally ill is supposed to act with total precision. "I mean, you can't reflexively pull your pants up and expect the
Well I see precision in what she did. I dont know what she did that made him draw his gun. I know what she said and that most certainly bothered him but I believe she made a physical gesture that made her intentions clear. That's when he draws his gun and yells his unambiguous command. She has a fearful reaction to it and says "I'm sorry" and takes her hands off the pot and drops to the floor. He could've ran out the house at that moment I suppose. Although he did have a partner there also in danger. He decides to stay and proceeds to neutralize the threat. I believe had she stayed on the floor or even ran away from the kitchen he would not have shot her. He only did when he clearly saw her spring up from the floor and with PRECISION grab a pot of water off the counter with hand warmers and throw it over her head at him in less than 2 seconds. We only get to see the final fraction of a second in his bodycam video. You dont see **** on the other body cam which seems to be why thats the one always shown in the media.
Well I see precision in what she did. I dont know what she did that made him draw his gun. I know what she said and that most certainly bothered him but I believe she made a physical gesture that made her intentions clear. That's when he draws his gun and yells his unambiguous command. She has a fearful reaction to it and says "I'm sorry" and takes her hands off the pot and drops to the floor. He could've ran out the house at that moment I suppose. Although he did have a partner there also in da
Did we watch the same video? If so, I must be blind. Could your provide stills and/or timestamps for this please: "her spring up from the floor and with PRECISION grab a pot of water off the counter with hand warmers and throw it over her head at him in less than 2 seconds"? Thanks.
I believe she made a physical gesture that made her intentions clear. That's when he draws his gun and yells his unambiguous command.
You keep saying this, but nobody except you can see it. Unfounded beliefs that she did something when there is video of the incident that shows the contrary is going to play as well to a jury as it does here.
