The liberal media and the police Killing of Sonya Massey
I didnt give much thought on the title but I wanted to see if people actually took the time to watch the police body cam footage. I mentioned the media because nobody seems to want to talk about the obvious. This cop is still locked up as far as i know and everyone seems to be villainizing him. I actually took the time to watch the video in slow motion and you can clearly see that the lady 100% intended on throwing boiling water on him. There is no dispute on that yet nobody wants to say it for fear of upsetting an all too familiar narrative. If you watch the video you will clearly see that the woman drops to floor holding only her oven mitts. The pot is sitting on the counter. The officers arm obstructs the bodycam up until the last second where you see the woman holding the pot and throwing it at the cop. I just dont understand how in the freeist country in the world not a peep is being mentioned about this. You can say well the cop should have dropped back or ran and thats a valid argument but what you dont do is pretend that this lady was innocent when it seems to be an instance of a very troubled lady choosing to die at the hands of a cop. I will try to link the video below if that is cool with mods. It's not graphic. It will be the last 5-6 seconds and you obviously need to watch it in slow motion. It is the bodycam of the cop who shoots her. You have to realize he is only about 5 feet from her and his arm blocks a good chunk of the crucial 5-6 seconds. He is lucky his arm didnt block the whole thing or he would be spending the rest of his life in prison.
ShttsWeak is making bizarrely delusional observations to the point I dont think any rational conversation can be had with him. I've reached the point where I'm expecting him to say he saw her reach for a sawed off tied to a string under the sink. He's either trolling or just 'weird' in that way that some people make **** up and you cant figure out why.
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It's not mine I just think its the best way to get you caught up on what actually happened.
I linked the youtube and its been a cluster****
https://twitter.com/WhiteBoySabbath/stat...
This was obviously edited but she did exactly what the video shows.
I'm not saying she definitely didn't throw the water, but I have not seen it on any other video I seen and I've looked. I also looked at 4-5 different timelines interpreting the video by major news networks and none of them that I saw say she threw the water and I'm not accepting someone calling themselves "Whiteboy Sabbath" as the lone purveyor of the video showing her throw the water.
That said, let's say she did throw the water. I think this could be worse for the cop because the water, in your video, lands on the floor before the shots are fired. They can see that she has thrown the water so they can see she no longer has any serious threat capabilities (not that a frail woman with a pot of boiling water is much of a threat) remaining. At that point they are firing at an unarmed person (setting aside the question of whether she was ever "armed" really). What was she going to do if they didn't shoot her at that point? Go back to the sink, turn on the water, fill the pot, fire up the stove, wait 20 minutes and then try another awkward heave of water?
i was like who t f his that name and why there is so much volume about it, so i went to watch the video.
fwiw anyone that watch that video and questioning himself if the agent was justify to kill a person that quick with that level of "threat", please please please never apply to be a cop.....
there is already too many crazies in the force.
I'm not saying she definitely didn't throw the water, but I have not seen it on any other video I seen and I've looked. I also looked at 4-5 different timelines interpreting the video by major news networks and none of them that I saw say she threw the water and I'm not accepting someone calling themselves "Whiteboy Sabbath" as the lone purveyor of the video showing her throw the water.
That said, let's say she did throw the water. I think this could be worse for the cop because the water, in you
Well I'm saying she definitely threw water. It's beyond dispute as far as I'm concerned. You're basically saying that you dont think she threw the water but from the video it appears the water was already thrown before he decides to shoot her? wtf? Your last post says she drops innocently to the floor than gets blasted.
There's a common theme in this thread about her not doing what she did and boiling water not being very dangerous.
There's a lot more to it than a subjective feeling of your life being in danger. The belief has to be reasonable and your actions have to be reasonable in the circumstances.
After he draws his gun and she says "sorry" and drops to the floor behind a counter, there's no threat to the officer's safety. Advancing with his gun drawn is not the right thing to do in that situation,
please explain what he should have done than?
ShttsWeak is making bizarrely delusional observations to the point I dont think any rational conversation can be had with him. I've reached the point where I'm expecting him to say he saw her reach for a sawed off tied to a string under the sink. He's either trolling or just 'weird' in that way that some people make **** up and you cant figure out why.
thanks I'll pass on conv w/ u as well.
OP, one question you have consistently ignored is why you don't think someone might act differently after having a gun pointed in their face. Your only evidence for the fact that she was always going to throw the water is that she did in fact throw the water after the cop threatened her with the gun. Do you not honestly see how this line of thinking is logically flawed?
Well the trivially obvious answer is that he should have asked her to move away from the stove if that's what the fear was. Moving towards the source of the "threat" while pointing a gun at the woman was perhaps the absolute worst course of action if he was genuinely afraid of having the water thrown at him.
Even taking all the ridiculous assumptions you've made at face value it's still hard to imagine a way in which he could have handled the situation any worse.
Well I'm saying she definitely threw water. It's beyond dispute as far as I'm concerned. You're basically saying that you dont think she threw the water but from the video it appears the water was already thrown before he decides to shoot her? wtf? Your last post says she drops innocently to the floor than gets blasted.
There's a common theme in this thread about her not doing what she did and boiling water not being very dangerous.
No one ever said the bolded. None of us would survive being dropped in a swimming pool full of boiling water. People are questioning whether, at the time the officer fired his gun, there was a serious risk that this woman would hit the officer with a meaningful amount of boiling water thrown from a pot.
OP, one question you have consistently ignored is why you don't think someone might act differently after having a gun pointed in their face. Your only evidence for the fact that she was always going to throw the water is that she did in fact throw the water after the cop threatened her with the gun. Do you not honestly see how this line of thinking is logically flawed?
Lets pretend she had a knife. The officer for some reason thinks she intends to stab him. She is 3 feet away with nothing in between them. He pulls his gun and commands her to put the knife down. She puts the knife down, holds up her hands and drops to the floor. What is he to do now? Does he grab the knife? does he put her in cuffs?
If you believe as I do that he has the legal authority to do either of the two and while doing so she rises up from the floor, grabs the knife and attempts to stab him than lethal force is justified.
Whether the lady intended on stabbing him all along does not dictate whether or not his decision to use lethal force was justified.
We can discuss the above or we can discuss why I believe it was her intentions all along. We shouldn't do both at the same time.
Boiling water is very ****ing dangerous. I posted a link about a step father that dumped water on his stepson and boyfriend while they were asleep and he's now doing 40 years. There's pictures with the article that are very graphic.
Lets pretend she had a knife. The officer for someone reason thinks she intends to stab him. She is 3 feet away with nothing in between them. He pulls his gun and commands her to put the knife down. She puts the knife down, holds up her hands and drops to the floor. What is he to do now? Does he grab the knife? does he put her in cuffs?
If you believe as I do that he has the legal authority to do either of the two and while doing so she rises up from the floor, grabs the knife and attempts to
Love how you need a hypothetical to make your point only to still not make your point.
Lets say she did in fact throw the boiling water. So what? Bullet to the head was the answer?
May that cop rot in prison for the rest of his life. What we saw in that video was murder.
Love how you need a hypothetical to make your point only to still not make your point.
Lets say she did in fact throw the boiling water. So what? Bullet to the head was the answer?
May that cop rot in prison for the rest of his life. What we saw in that video was murder.
as I've said many times in here. Easy for you to say pal.
If they learnt that from CNN, sounds like he has a rock solid case! Meet Covington Kid II, chaps.
lol yeah. The media call out in the title is one of the most ridiculous things in a pretty ridiculous thread.
This case seems made for a plea. The video plus the fact that you can’t really put this guy on the stand without all the DUIs and prior incompetence being hammered in.
the liberal media loves the police. they constantly report pro police stories. they probably first reported it was suicide because that's what the cops said at first. if there was no body cam, this would probably be just another murder cover up
you always see headlines that distort the facts when cops murder people... "officer involved shooting" etc
No one ever said the bolded. None of us would survive being dropped in a swimming pool full of boiling water. People are questioning whether, at the time the officer fired his gun, there was a serious risk that this woman would hit the officer with a meaningful amount of boiling water thrown from a pot.
It's been monday morning quarterbacking by people who dont know what they're talking about. If you want to concede that he's only 3-5 feet from her and not get caught up in whether or not he should be where he is than let's do it. I would argue being that close to her warrants a grave fear of extensive bodily harm above and beyond what he "signed up For".
the liberal media loves the police. they constantly report pro police stories. they probably first reported it was suicide because that's what the cops said at first. if there was no body cam, this would probably be just another murder cover up
you always see headlines that distort the facts when cops murder people... "officer involved shooting" etc
O yeah they love when white cops kill black people. The ****in love that ****.
I don't mean to rock your world or anything, but she almost certainly had knives at hand in her kitchen. Sorry but the cops don't get to just blast someone in their house because some of the ordinary household objects at hand could conceivably be used as weapons.
Well I'm saying she definitely threw water. It's beyond dispute as far as I'm concerned. You're basically saying that you dont think she threw the water but from the video it appears the water was already thrown before he decides to shoot her? wtf? Your last post says she drops innocently to the floor than gets blasted.
There's a common theme in this thread about her not doing what she did and boiling water not being very dangerous.
I'm saying I'm not going to trust an edited video by someone calling themselves Whiteboy Sabbath as the soul source showing her throw the water while no credentialed sources are saying it.
But I went on to evaluate the situation under the assumption she did throw the water. You didn't address the issue of mr. pile-o-skulls firing after the water hit the floor. And why were they even moving into range of someone with a pot of water instead of staying back? We've seen many cases of people holding officers at bay with some weapon. The officers instinctually take themselves out of range while positioning their gun to drop the person if they get into range. This cop was just getting closer and closer, increasing any possible threat.
Why did he do that? Because there was no threat. He was contriving a scenario where he could kill someone, legally so in his moron thinking. He's probably a racist nut or possibly roid raging or both. He has a history of behavioral problems which saw him dishonorably discharged from the military and going through 6 cop jobs in 4 years.
I don't mean to rock your world or anything, but she almost certainly had knives at hand in her kitchen. Sorry but the cops don't get to just blast someone in their house because some of the ordinary household objects at hand could conceivably be used as weapons.
I agree. nice name
Right so lets not answer the question about the cop murdering someone.
I would argue being that close to her warrants a grave fear of extensive bodily harm above and beyond what he "signed up For".
You would. You're wrong. But you would argue that yes.
Cop escalates situation, cop kills woman, cop goes to prison.
This isn't that hard buddy.
I'm saying I'm not going to trust an edited video by someone calling themselves Whiteboy Sabbath as the soul source showing her throw the water while no credentialed sources are saying it.
I linked the video in the OP. I narrowed it down to 5 seconds. I realize that some are not able to watch it in slow motion to the degree necessary to show her throwing the pot. I linked that bozos twitter video only for that reason. You mentioned it more than once now. I would recommend you download the software so that you can watch Youtube videos faster than 2.0 speed and slower than .250 speed. I often watch speeches and podcats at 2.5+ and find it saves a lot of time w/out missing much.
