Should we hero call? 10/25 PLO
Should we hero call? 10/25 PLO
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Should we hero call? 10/25 PLO

10/25 PLO Online 6 Max
Hero ($2350)
Villain ($3691)

We have played with villain a few times. He is not scared to bluff and is very aggressive. We have not battled against him more then about 4 or 5 times though. He opens extremely wide from the button. My image currently is very nitty and only 3 betting AA and KK.

Folds to villain in the button who pots to 85.
Hero Jc6c9s8h 3b! to 280. Villain calls.

Flop (HU, $585):
9c Jh 8d

Hero bets 1/3 ($191.56), villain calls.

Turn ($968): 3d
9c Jh 8d 3d

Hero x, villain $500. Hero calls.

River ($1970): 7c
9c Jh 8d 3d 7c

Hero x. Villain puts us all in for 1388. Hero???

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Hero calls. Villain shows QhQs6d7s. Hero scoops $4762.

31 July 2024 at 01:10 PM
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Are you SB or BB? Why are you 3betting this hand?

I'd check range on this flop. As played turn good and you can call the river if you feel like calling.


SB. 3bet because of image, will hit boards my perceived range doesn’t, for the meta, and exploitative reasons.


by HeroOrZero m

SB. 3bet because of image, will hit boards my perceived range doesn’t, for the meta, and exploitative reasons.

These are all bad reasons, but c'est la vie. You have better hands to play in this spot that accomplishes all of the above. The reality here is that you simply got bored and wanted to mix it up.

Monker thinks that it is a thin call, so if you think he bluffs anywhere close to optimal it's a call, but if he bluffs but not enough then it's a fold.



by amok m

Are you SB or BB? Why are you 3betting this hand?

I'd check range on this flop. As played turn good and you can call the river if you feel like calling.

All of this.


100%


Image of only 3b AAxx/KKxx and you pick this one to 3b OOP? And then lead out? Both of these make little sense and really puts V in a position of great power against your image. Would you cbet AA-bd-flush into 'this' guy with a bloated pot?

It really puts you into a bad spot because V should be under the impression that you are playing just one pair pending Danglers and feels free to blast away with any 2pr combo.

Unless you're willing to c/r this Turn some of the time I don't see how you can call down this River other than your hand is slightly under-repped. What it comes down to is will V blast with all 2pr hands based on your image or just take a Showdown with some of them?

Hero blocks 2pr combos and one 9x .. seems fateful.

If you want to put this 3b combo into your random range, then do it from position so you can at least bluff when 'your' board comes out and/or you connect like on this one. GL


Nh, call river.


This is a garbage hand - I get he's opening wide but he's IP and he should be opening wide. 3bing garbage isn't really a way to counter that - I wouldn't be building a pot with a hand like this. Like others said the flop is never a cbet - terrible for your range and you actually flopped fairly well. OTR I think he has overpair/top pair + diamonds/hearts/clubs, 67. Tx actually isn't that many combos other than QT as most Tx straight draws just check the turn and his sizing seems to not be QT. I think we do call down vs an aggro opponent as the run out is ideal for him to bluff on, but overall just not a fan of how the hand developed.


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Feel like villain would pot QT ott so guess we're calling

Does villain turn their flopped sets into bluffs otr?


Your range and your specific hand want to check flop.


Read based play to continue betting 1/3 range vs specific villain.


So what are you asking even? Everything you did in this hand is read based vs specific villain. And you probably know it's garbage play in theory so.


Now I remember why i dont like posting on here. Self righteous comments from people that couldnt beat their local home game. 99% of the time no one analyzes anything postflop and only talks about preflop. *insert that is β€œthe major leak.”


Nonsense. Your mistakes were pointed out (both pre and post). All your plays that deviate from the best play were "read based". OK that's cool, but why are you asking then? We don't have your reads and you don't explain why you think a third pot bet OTF is good against this particular player. We don't know how he reacts to that, we don't know your reasoning. If you cannot be helped, don't ask.

I have played full time for 20 years but honestly don't think that is even relevant. It's a forum and people of all levels can discuss topics.

Anyway well played and GL.


Pre is somewhat solver-approved, post is somewhat solver-approved. If you want to argue that it's not how humans or humans can not play this hand profitable post after 3-bet then fine but calling them major leaks is a... choice.


Had to ctrl+F "leak" but it didn't make me any wiser.


learning PLO; what hands should hero be 3betting in this exact dynamic?


by Imaginary F(r)iend m

Pre is somewhat solver-approved, post is somewhat solver-approved. If you want to argue that it's not how humans or humans can not play this hand profitable post after 3-bet then fine but calling them major leaks is a... choice.

which solver you using that says it's OK to 3bet this hand?


by javi m

learning PLO; what hands should hero be 3betting in this exact dynamic?

Most AA, some big pairs (esp with an A), double suited rundowns. I don't see why you should be 3betting single suited rundowns.


by yasuo m

which solver you using that says it's OK to 3bet this hand?

Plo Trainer on higher stakes (less rake).


Really with equities running like they do in PLO and their fold to 3b being extremely low I can't imagine 3betting this hand to play a bigger pot OOP. I think in PLO you want to 3b OOP either hands that have an equity advantage or are easy to play and can dominate other hands. This hand doesn't pose an equity advantage and is not easy to play postflop - there is some connectivity but not much, and when you make a flush you have to play it somewhat passively. On the flip side I would be opening extremely wide in position - position becomes more important the closer equities run.


by Imaginary F(r)iend m

Plo Trainer on higher stakes (less rake).

Disregard that πŸ˜ƒ, I thought this hand was double suited. Fold pre, post is okayish though.


heavy punt

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